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All you want to know about popcorn!
    #7647644 - 11/17/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i hear so much B.S. about popcorn as a grain. Well allow me to clear it up for you.

First of all, i have had many successful experiments with pocorn exclusively for the last year. WBS just stank too damn much to work with.

Myth #1 - Popcorn is prone to bacterial contamination
Answer - no!
Most people just did their teks wrong. Before 12 hour soaking, you have to boil it until the center is nice and soft. 12 hour soaking popcorn doesnt absorb much water and because of this - the endo spores you are trying to germinate never germinate.

Myth #2 - It's hard to get popcorn at the correct water content
Answer - No!
After boiling do the soaking in the pot you cooked in. Just turn the burner off and leave it alone. You'l notice when you look at it later, the waterline has dropped significantly, sometimes even below the top of the corn.

Myth #3 - Popcorn Colonizes so much faster!
Answer - yes and no
Popcorn tends to have a longer germination period. Once it has germinated, it flys!Due to the texture and size of the kernals, shaking the jar distributes the spores very easily. So much so, that you dont need to shake at 30% or 80%. So theres no waiting for stunted mycelium after shaking.

1 quart takes about 3 weeks, but i incubate at room temp which tends to be low around 60.

**Do not mistake discoloration for contamination!
often kernels can turn red,pink,caramel ect. You'l notice this happening on ONLY colonized kernels. This is not a contam, and will not cause any problems once spawning.

**Popcorn doesnt cause any drop in potencies
My P.E.'s will knock you on your ass

have fun! youl get about 4 qarts with each bag of jiffy pop. 2 bags for 3 dollars isnt a bad deal. and it doesnt stink like WBS.


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: moon_glue]
    #7647693 - 11/17/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Something I've always wondered about popcorn.

Might sound silly but the differences in word use between countries can be confusing.


When you say popcorn do you mean the dry corn kernels used to make the white stuff you eat at the cinema or the actual white stuff?


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: Nibin]
    #7647788 - 11/17/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the yellow stuff that comes off the vegtable not cooked i think they sell them dry and you boil and soak


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: milkman]
    #7647900 - 11/17/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I tried a few different brand mycobags until I landed with one (private seller) that works awesome....the substrate's about 50% corn kernals for what the vendor says is "faster colonizing", and she wasn't kidding. My 2lb. mycobags fully colonize in as little a 2 weeks.

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**Do not mistake discoloration for contamination!
often kernels can turn red,pink,caramel ect. You'l notice this happening on ONLY colonized kernels. This is not a contam, and will not cause any problems once spawning.




Very true...the kernals in my bags and casing have had me staring at them very concerned numerous times....but it always just turns out to be a funky kernal.


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: bagsofun]
    #7647974 - 11/17/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

How do you know when the center has been boiled enough to be soft? Just squeeze one?


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #7648019 - 11/17/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i don't think that even matters very much.

soak for a day, boil if you want to. you can even fill a jar full with popcorn, pressure cook, drain, and then pressure cook again.

it's cheap, easy as hell to find, and pretty forgiving. i don't have a reason to use any other kind of grain at this point.


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: Iolaa]
    #7648050 - 11/17/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

nice info, i got a big bag of the stuff in the kitchen, cant wait to give it a shot.

Has anyone tried just straight casing popcarn, without spawning to bulk???


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7648092 - 11/17/07 04:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i remember reading that it didn't work at all. but i don't remember who said it, when, and if they were full of bullshit or not.


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: Iolaa]
    #7648112 - 11/17/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I just measure my bird seed and water rite in my jars and PC and shake and cool and shake and inoculate. Takes hardly any time, and I just had a 0 contam rate on this grow, I got my inoc proses down.


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: budmanman]
    #7648375 - 11/17/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Cased popcorn works fine. It's OK as a grain, and I've had lots of successful grows with it. However, it does have a higher failure rate to bacteria than rye, regardless of soaking method. It appears that especially with popcorn, fresh endospores are generated shortly after the ones you're soaking germinate. Sometimes, these survive the soak, boiling, and the PC.
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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7648507 - 11/17/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I recently picked up a bag of popcorn to give it a whirle, good timing on the thread, thanks for the run down of the prep work involved for popcorn moon_tips and RR for the sterility tips of the popcorn :stoned:


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7650063 - 11/18/07 05:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Cased popcorn works fine. It's OK as a grain, and I've had lots of successful grows with it. However, it does have a higher failure rate to bacteria than rye, regardless of soaking method. It appears that especially with popcorn, fresh endospores are generated shortly after the ones you're soaking germinate. Sometimes, these survive the soak, boiling, and the PC.
RR




Interesting, last time i tried to use popcorn i ended up with green mould, but that was before i started using a glovebox.

Im gonna give the popcorn another go keeping this in mind, and if that doesnt work out for me ill try rye grains.


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7650180 - 11/18/07 07:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I use it and wbs, and I like the ease of use of popcorn better. I have had less loss due to infection using other spawns, but popcorn is cheap, plentiful, and easier to prepare and shake than wbs. Never tried straight rye or rye berries yet.


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: mebesideme]
    #7650294 - 11/18/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I love popcorn, but have always been the target of scorn and ridicule for using it. Finally someone steps up and says something positive about it. I've not had much luck with using it cased however. IMO it's best to spawn it to poo.


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: ComfortablyStond]
    #7650497 - 11/18/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I am also a hardcore poo lover! Wow that sounded bad. I use popcorn usually, then put it in a mix of slightly less than half verm, mostly the other half poo, and a little coir if I have it for speed of colonization. Also, add veggie oil to poo based subs, it seems to help with getting that first flush. My biggest discovery with popcorn/poo has been my number of flushes. If I leave a tub that has been through five or more flushes in the right conditions, I will still occasionally get fruits for weeks after. With WBS, I get about 3 good flushes, maybe 5, then the sub is like depleted mush. Coir seems to deplete quickly too. If I dig through an old sub with popcorn, there are always pieces of popcorn still full of nutes and still very alive with mycellium.


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: mebesideme]
    #7659775 - 11/20/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Simmering 4 bags of Jiffy pop atm and I find this thread. Thanks!


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7659805 - 11/20/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

popcorn seems to colonize faster because of its large surface area. its an illusion. popcorn is alright for beginners... i guess... espically if u want a contam your first grow


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Re: All you want to know about popcorn! [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #7659868 - 11/20/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i am lazy am i like popcorn.


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