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InvisibleIcelander
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    #7647204 - 11/17/07 10:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So I would like to known what you think human life is all about. I would like your opinion in three ways.

First using logic and evidence.

Using intuition and feeling.

How you would prefer life to be if you were in charge.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Question [Re: Icelander]
    #7647229 - 11/17/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If I were in charge, I would insist that Icelander take up another hobby or get a part time job because he has way too much time on his hands.


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Re: Question [Re: Icelander]
    #7647236 - 11/17/07 10:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

logically

human life exists because of natural forces that can be measured

intuitively and emotionally

we were engineered by conscious entities from another dimension with a very developed sense of humor

if i were in charge i would get the fuck out of here


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Re: Question [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7647240 - 11/17/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
If I were in charge, I would insist that Icelander take up another hobby or get a part time job because he has way too much time on his hands.




You forgot the other two.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Question [Re: Icelander]
    #7647257 - 11/17/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know how to use logic and evidence, so I'll skip the first.

Using feeling, I would say that life is an unfathomable, ever-changing mystery, and that one can transcend to greater awareness by developing good practice to quiet the mind and rid oneself of desire, and this is the only worthwhile goal on this plane of existence.

If I was in charge, no one would be identified with form.


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My body I will give to pleasures,
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any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Re: Question [Re: Icelander]
    #7647273 - 11/17/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ooo, look, Icebait.  I haven't had breakfast yet so i'll bite. :tongue:

I think human life, at this point, is about 7 billion or so severely traumatized individuals facing the choice to heal and re-integrate their whole personality, or to move on into a post-human silicon based new world order largely devoid of emotions we once knew.

For evidence, I submit the fact that we allow tyrannical governments and religions to lie to us and feed us a world view because we are too afraid and mentally ill equipped to create one for ourselves.  To do so would require and honest look at the past, which would open up traumas so horrific we would rather forget.

So we end up enslaved to a system we had no say in creating, but have chosen to live in because taking full responsibility for our lives is too much to handle.
The system does not benefit us individually as much as it benefits those who did create it, but instead of dealing with that reality we choose to believe lies fed to us in the form of "education", which only further obfuscate our true past.  If anyone disagrees that this is not the predominant way and state of humanity - that is great, but it is merely what I see around me.  Perhaps I should get some glasses.

Furthermore, we refuse to look at the tyrant within us all that has perpetuated trauma upon our fellow beings, and instead we blame the governments and religions, though they may be responsible for instigating cascades of new trauma, ultimately we have chosen to perpetuate them.

There you got the evidence and intuition/feeling part mashed together.

And how would I like it to be if I were in charge?  While I am repulsed by the notion of being in charge, i will entertain the question.
I would decree with utmost love and compassion that anyone who bowed to my authority was a spineless fool and that from here on out there is no more authority except that which resides in each of us.
Good luck , humanity :evil:


Edited by Clean (11/17/07 11:30 AM)


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Re: Question [Re: Lion]
    #7647283 - 11/17/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

As a wise man said:

Life is a comedy for those who think.

A tragedy for those who feel.

If i were in charge..no thanks...look at how many brickbats god is receiving. :nut:


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Re: Question [Re: Icelander]
    #7647336 - 11/17/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

wait wait! if i was in charge i would make mary poppins real and i would tie her up and do stuff to her! :laugh:



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Re: Question [Re: Icelander]
    #7647841 - 11/17/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
So I would like to known what you think human life is all about. I would like your opinion in three ways.

First using logic and evidence.

Using intuition and feeling.

How you would prefer life to be if you were in charge.




1) Humans are animals like all other animals and no more important. No spiritual purpose other than what we create for ourselves. Life is about survival and procreation as it is with all other life. Knowing what is going on is an impossibility.

2) There is an aware and creative purpose to the Universe although it is far beyond my full comprehension in human form.

3) I would prefer it if humans were not so fear based in their programming. Less violent and greedy, less superstitious and religious and prejudiced, more openly loving and more open minded and openly sexual and self accepting. Interested in growth and learning for it's own sake and wanting to build our habitat for our comfort and pleasure and appreciation of the beauty of the natural world while acknowledging the shadow and light realities of existence.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Question [Re: Icelander]
    #7647866 - 11/17/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What do you mean, "If I were in charge?" Can it be otherwise?


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Re: Question [Re: Clean]
    #7647882 - 11/17/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Clean said:
Ooo, look, Icebait.  I haven't had breakfast yet so i'll bite. :tongue:

I think human life, at this point, is about 7 billion or so severely traumatized individuals facing the choice to heal and re-integrate their whole personality, or to move on into a post-human silicon based new world order largely devoid of emotions we once knew.

For evidence, I submit the fact that we allow tyrannical governments and religions to lie to us and feed us a world view because we are too afraid and mentally ill equipped to create one for ourselves.  To do so would require and honest look at the past, which would open up traumas so horrific we would rather forget.

So we end up enslaved to a system we had no say in creating, but have chosen to live in because taking full responsibility for our lives is too much to handle.
The system does not benefit us individually as much as it benefits those who did create it, but instead of dealing with that reality we choose to believe lies fed to us in the form of "education", which only further obfuscate our true past.  If anyone disagrees that this is not the predominant way and state of humanity - that is great, but it is merely what I see around me.  Perhaps I should get some glasses.

Furthermore, we refuse to look at the tyrant within us all that has perpetuated trauma upon our fellow beings, and instead we blame the governments and religions, though they may be responsible for instigating cascades of new trauma, ultimately we have chosen to perpetuate them.

There you got the evidence and intuition/feeling part mashed together.

And how would I like it to be if I were in charge?  While I am repulsed by the notion of being in charge, i will entertain the question.
I would decree with utmost love and compassion that anyone who bowed to my authority was a spineless fool and that from here on out there is no more authority except that which resides in each of us.
Good luck , humanity :evil:




I couldn't agree more. :thumbup:


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Re: Question [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7647894 - 11/17/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I couldn't agree more.




Try harder, you can do it. :cheer:


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Re: Question [Re: Icelander]
    #7648463 - 11/17/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

First using logic and evidence.

Logic and evidence points to a nihilistic universe. At the moment, I lean in that direction pending some surprise. But lemme tell ya something of how I've arrived here.

I've been an alter boy in Catholic church (no, they didn't touch my pee pee), and I've been to psychics, santeros, and assorted healers looking for something more. I've drawn pentagrams on the floor, studied astrology and palmistry, meditated with a guru, and prayed fervently and humbly looking for something more. I've begged the Creator to show me something or open my eyes if I'm doing it wrong. I've cried over what from all evidence is a hopeless existentially lonely existence that will suddenly end one day.

I've read the Gita, Koran, Dead Sea Scrolls, Torah, Old Testament, New Testament (in English and Spanish for viewpoints of language), the Vampire Bible, the Satanic Bible, assorted Masonic books, many more I can't remember now. Hell, I've even read Dianetics and done an 'audit'.

I've searched for something more while sober for 30 years, then I tried pot for the first time in my 30s looking for something more. I've meditated alone swimming 400 feet underwater as far from humans as I could get, and I've meditated at concerts surrounded by 50,000 people, looking for something more. I've followed the advice of hundreds of believers. I've gone on pilgrimages and retreats. I've indulged in an alphabet soup of drug use, looking for something more.

I haven't found anything so far, and I'm out of ideas.

Using intuition and feeling.

Because I'm an almost-neurotic optimist, and because of some strange things in cutting-edge physics that seem to be real and a part of nature but that are entirely beyond any kind of intuitive understanding, I hold out the tiniest sliver of hope that there may be something more out there.

I'm a scientist. My nature is to abhor certainty that there ISN'T anything more, even though a lifetime of searching without a shred of anything to hold onto seems to support that conclusion. Still, every day that passes I'm more convinced that this is all there is.

How you would prefer life to be if you were in charge.

Peaceful, slower.

We live in a rat race. We're driven to productivity by those in power just like a horse is driven by a whip. And most people don't seem to notice.

The only reason we ever started caring about addiction is because it negatively effects industrial productivity by re-centering people in aesthetic perception instead of utilitarian perception.

I'd rather life be less productive but happy than driven forward and making progress with a large fraction of the population taking anti-depressants. We're like those chickens you see in PITA videos where they're stacked several high in tiny cages and their entire existence is to produce eggs as quickly as possible for another creature until they die.

Unfortunately, humans are a product of evolution, and that means aggression and competition. We would not have survived as a species without these traits. And it seems most of us are too stupid or focused on figuring out how to buy that new car to realize that we're monkeys jumping around, beating our chest, and pissing on our territory just like our evolutionary chains demand. You have to see the parallels between us and wild chimps before you can step back, break those chains, and see the big picture. Few seem capable of doing this and so humanity marches forward and nothing much ever seems to change.

If I were in totalitarian charge of the world: well, the things I'd change would take me a year to write down, but I'd remove all morality-based laws and strengthen laws against violence, and I'd redistribute wealth and power to counteract the evolutionarily driven inclination to put some people on top and others on the bottom. Then I'd see to stopping the misery rampant population growth in starving parts of the world is causing.

These things as first steps.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
    #7648489 - 11/17/07 06:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Aren't laws against violence morality-based?


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Question [Re: Lion]
    #7648510 - 11/17/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Aren't laws against violence morality-based?

Yes, but let me clarify. What I mean by morality-based in this context is things like drug laws. Telling someone what they can and can't do in order to align their behavior with yours using force.

Even though laws that keep one person from harming another are also morality-based, I consider those types of laws good ones and pretty much the only ones needed at all.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
    #7648658 - 11/17/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

>but, how do you know for sure there are no benefits to those laws?

Any law that is based on one person telling another person to behave like he does is harmful because neither he nor I can know what's best for another person.

Laws should make sure that each of us can live our lives the way we want to and that others do the same.


Edited by Diploid (11/17/07 07:41 PM)


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Re: Question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7648711 - 11/17/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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but, how do you know for sure there are no benefits to those laws?





Observation, experience, logically organized critical thinking...

It depends on what you think is 'beneficial' to society, which depends on what you value. If you value the freedom of the individual and believe that people are capable of choosing how they want to live thier own lives, than yeah, laws infringing on personal choice are stupid and we'd be better of making sure people are educated enough to make informed choices.


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Re: Question [Re: Icelander]
    #7648881 - 11/17/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
So I would like to known what you think human life is all about. I would like your opinion in three ways.

First using logic and evidence.




We're another animal not superior to any of the rest and follow a similar life pattern whose purpose is to eat, fuck, and die. No spiritual or ultimate purpose. Having seen thousands of dying, rotting salmon floating down Alaska streams and rivers after expending all of their energy in one hell of a swim to spawn strengthens my sentiment about this.

Quote:

Using intuition and feeling.




Eating, fucking, and dying do not fill that nagging void that accompanies life as we've known it. I feel that if those things were our only purpose they would be much more emotionally rewarding. We are capable of tremendous levels of happiness but they are incredibly elusive and short lived.

A part of me feels it is completely natural and intuitive to assume there is some God-like quality that permeates and perhaps is all of existence. It doesn't seem far fetched (for me) to consider that life began as an idea; that there is intention behind it. The sheer beauty of some of earth's geography seems subtly suggestive of this. As does the psychedelic experience in general and those of freebase DMT in particular. In the case of the latter, and the general experience that overcomes me when I use it, I feel as though I have awoken from a dream, that is life as we known it, and have become God. The nagging void/dissatisfaction of life is obliterated by the new reality that has sprung out of the old; a reality that screams spirituality, love, total awareness, and endless possibilities. Having the winning lottery numbers for life wouldn't hold a candle to the bliss and fulfillment that is there; it's your wildest fantasy times a billion, utterly unimaginable. I feel it is either the truth of some tortuous joke of a heaven we can only glimpse and will never know. Few people who use DMT ever have these experiences, so far as I have observed, but it is unmistakable when it happens, and it leaves one's perceptions of reality permanently shattered. The quote in my sig sums up my sentiments: "Cursed is the man who has seen God, because forever after, he knows no earthly home." It seems indeed like a curse at times, and in some ways I'd be better off having not even known (or believed to have known if "knowing" in such matter is offensive to you) of this.

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How you would prefer life to be if you were in charge.




Between Icelander, Diploid, and Clean said there isn't much I would add. The purpose of life would not be unlimited capital growth. Freedom to do as you please so long as as little injury to others and damage to environment occurs as practical. Healing instead of punishment where practical.


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Re: Question [Re: Icelander]
    #7649123 - 11/17/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I feel that as human beings we are here to do good for the earth and for your fellow man, ascend to new heights, and put positive energy back into the cycle.


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Re: Question [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7649151 - 11/17/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

human life is about(?)
too many stories to say ...
too many books about lives and issues ...
too many movies to summarize here.

about(?)
the start treck theme would be good to convey the feeling.

cut to commercial


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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
    #7649169 - 11/17/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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but I'd remove all morality-based laws and strengthen laws against violence, and I'd redistribute wealth and power




To redistribute wealth would require force, aka: violence.


Edited by Diploid (11/17/07 09:42 PM)


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Re: Question [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7649192 - 11/17/07 09:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

To redistribute wealth would require force, aka: violence.

The king is allowed to enforce laws with force for the common good. Stick 'em up! :minigun:

Note: hit the wrong button and edited your post accidentally. Damned weed.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
    #7649195 - 11/17/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

BTW, when I say redistribute wealth and power, I'm referring to oversized, disproportionately influential, and irresponsible corporations and politicians. I'd leave people alone, for the most part.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
    #7649217 - 11/17/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No matter how much you dance around, you can't be against violence and for violent enforcement of some ideal.

As I am sure you know Cuban history way better than I, but I believe that Castro was a freedom fighter for the common people and look what happened: He became the type of man he fought against. This is often how these things work out.


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Re: Question [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7649226 - 11/17/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not against all violence. I don't know of any way to enforce laws other than through violence. Even self defence is violent.

The question for me turns on whether or not the greater good is served by that violence. Yeah, it's a tightrope calling those judgments, that's the hypothetical job Ice created with this thread.

I'm also against morality laws, but at the bottom of it all, those are the only kind. I guess it's a matter of degree.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
    #7649863 - 11/18/07 01:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Having a legal system at all requires having an extensive repressive aparatus, and the 'greater good' is always the justification for the most horrific of oppressions.

Also, all laws are morality based. There are plenty of historical and even relatively contemporary examples of cultures that value all kinds of things we find utterly unthinkable.


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Re: Question [Re: Diploid]
    #7650227 - 11/18/07 08:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
First using logic and evidence.

Logic and evidence points to a nihilistic universe. At the moment, I lean in that direction pending some surprise. But, lemme tell ya something of how I've arrived here.

I've been an alter boy in Catholic church (no, they didn't touch my pee pee), and I've been to psychics, santeros, and assorted healers looking for something more. I've drawn pentagrams on the floor, studied astrology and palmistry, meditated with a guru, and prayed fervently and humbly looking for something more. I've begged the Creator to show me something or open my eyes if I'm doing it wrong. I've cried over what from all evidence is a hopeless existentially lonely existence that will suddenly end one day.

I've read the Gita, Koran, Dead Sea Scrolls, Torah, Old Testament, New Testament (in English and Spanish for viewpoints of language), the Vampire Bible, the Satanic Bible, assorted Masonic books, many more I can't remember now. Hell, I've even read Dianetics and done an 'audit'.

I've searched for something more while sober for 30 years, then I tried pot for the first time in my 30s looking for something more. I've meditated alone swimming 400 feet underwater as far from humans as I could get, and I've meditated at concerts surrounded by 50,000 people, looking for something more. I've followed the advice of hundreds of believers. I've gone on pilgrimages and retreats. I've indulged in an alphabet soup of drug use, looking for something more.

I haven't found anything so far, and I'm out of ideas.

Using intuition and feeling.

Because I'm an almost-neurotic optimist, and because of some strange things in cutting-edge physics that seem to be real and a part of nature but that are entirely beyond any kind of intuitive understanding, I hold out the tiniest sliver of hope that there may be something more out there.

I'm a scientist. My nature is to abhor certainty that there ISN'T anything more, even though a lifetime of searching without a shred of anything to hold onto seems to support that conclusion. Still, every day that passes I'm more convinced that this is all there is.

How you would prefer life to be if you were in charge.

Peaceful, slower.

We live in a rat race. We're driven to productivity by those in power just like a horse is driven by a whip. And most people don't seem to notice.

The only reason we ever started caring about addiction is because it negatively effects industrial productivity by re-centering people in aesthetic perception instead of utilitarian perception.

I'd rather life be less productive but happy than driven forward and making progress with a large fraction of the population taking anti-depressants. We're like those chickens you see in PITA videos where they're stacked several high in tiny cages and their entire existence is to produce eggs as quickly as possible for another creature until they die.

Unfortunately, humans are a product of evolution, and that means aggression and competition. We would not have survived as a species without these traits. And it seems most of us are too stupid or focused on figuring out how to buy that new car to realize that we're monkeys jumping around, beating our chest, and pissing on our territory just like our evolutionary chains demand. You have to see the parallels between us and wild chimps before you can step back, break those chains, and see the big picture. Few seem capable of doing this and so humanity marches forward and nothing much ever seems to change.

If I were in totalitarian charge of the world: well, the things I'd change would take me a year to write down, but I'd remove all morality-based laws and strengthen laws against violence, and I'd redistribute wealth and power to counteract the evolutionarily driven inclination to put some people on top and others on the bottom. Then I'd see to stopping the misery rampant population growth in starving parts of the world is causing.

These things as first steps.




Thank you for making this post Diploid. I have always respected your ideas but never felt I had most of the story. I have to confess that I really made this thread with you in mind, hoping to draw you out. A position after my own heart and much like my story also althought I only got about 20 feet down while snorkeling off the coast of Fiji.:grin::mushroom2::heart:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Question [Re: Icelander]
    #7650244 - 11/18/07 08:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

1. The point of life is to survive and grow at all cost. Humans can consider themselves no more expendable than bacteria.

2. To have lots of sex

3. Utopian


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