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siphilon
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ID Request, Virginia
#7646947 - 11/17/07 08:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Habitat: Mulch pile, more wood content than manure. at the border of a woodland area.
Gills: White
Stem: White, Solid with hollow tube, length from 3 to 5 inches
Cap: White with brown speckle (looks like a toasted marshmellow) (bruised purple/grey)
Location: Northern Virginia, USA
the gills look very brown in the photo but they're actually more white.
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
#7647023 - 11/17/07 09:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It would help to have a spore print. It could be some type of Pluteus, which would have pinkish to reddish spores.
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: rainlover]
#7647076 - 11/17/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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im doing a print but have not observed anything yet.
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
#7647370 - 11/17/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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how did you remove the mushroom from the soil? Are you sure you didn't leave any remnants behind, check for some sort of veil also in the stem. slightly brush the cap removing the dirt and take more pics and notes. it looks like a Pluteaceae, maybe Pluteus. the spore print should help you.
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: Polecat]
#7647468 - 11/17/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I sort of used my fingers around the base of the stem to support it while pulling upward. Like how you would pull a leaf/stem off a stawberry but w/o twisting 
here are some additional photos:

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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
#7647551 - 11/17/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can't see well, but it seems to be some partial veil in the stem..the fibrils in the cap might also be some universial veil. clean the base and confirm the absence of volva or broken stipe and confirm the gills color. was there any living tree nearby? you really need to know spores color also
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
#7647555 - 11/17/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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that look like some sort of amanita or lepiotaceos fungi not edible that i know and probably toxic.
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
#7648023 - 11/17/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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A good thing to do would be to cut the mushroom in half vertically so you (and hopefully we) can see the inside.
Happy mushrooming!
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: ToxicMan]
#7650358 - 11/18/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks for all the feedback. Here's a vertical cut shot. You can sort of see it has a tube running up the stem (sorry i don't know the technical term). And my camera phone is 5mp but still difficult to get good macro shots.
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
#7650574 - 11/18/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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still can't understand if there's presence of universal and/or partial veil in the stipe. you reaally need a spore print.
the term you're looking for is "fistulose"
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: Polecat]
#7651162 - 11/18/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i collected another one today, which appears to have not fully developed.

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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
#7651172 - 11/18/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do the scales on the cap rub off, or are they more permanently attached?
I am pretty sure this is a Lepiota species. The red staining is probably significant.
It isn't anything you want to eat - Looks too much like some deadly Amanita and Lepiota species.
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
#7651201 - 11/18/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It looks like it could be a Lepiota of some sort. I wouldn't rule out Amanita at this point, unless you dug down around the stem to make sure there wasn't a volva. Have you done a spore print yet? If not, what are you waiting for? It is really helpful in speciating your find.
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: rainlover]
#7653792 - 11/19/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The spores were white in color. I couldn't even actually see the spores until I rubbed my finger across the print area.
Oh and the scales appear to be affixed to the cap very well, they do not rub off.
Edited by siphilon (11/19/07 09:03 AM)
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
#7654054 - 11/19/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pluteus was possible if the spores were pink, assuming the absence of universal veil it's probably a Lepiota like Alan Rockefeller said.
there's some unidentified Lepiota species called by Peele's lepiota, I'm not very knowledgeable about this subject but seems to fit some details in the pics and descriptons..maybe Rockerfeller or cactu can add something
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: Polecat]
#7654114 - 11/19/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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peele´s lepiota is a mushrooms found by steven. pele . and is supost to grow on pastures or grass , and bruise green in stem , the reaction is some how fast, and disapear in age, well is a doubfull especie since we never hear more about it , also the sustances in this mushrooms are supost to have similarities with lsa or other lisergic acid amines, and supost that the substance are inestable or degrade easyly. this mushrooms you does not resemble that especie for my point of view, i will go more with the idea of chlrophyllum molobdites be a candidate but we already know is cause lot of stomag trouble, so it most be a lepiota in grass that bruise green(blue color) WITH WHITE SPORES OF COURSE, are many lepiota like you found in the forest, but your is interesting , may be a not so commond specie or a new one, but i have not study lepiotaceous in your area, but after all i will say is a lepiota ...would not recomend to eat it since some lepiotas are toxic.
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Edited by cactu (11/19/07 10:20 AM)
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: cactu]
#7673876 - 11/24/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well thanks a lot for all the information & help. I have a new ID request..


Habitat: Woodland area/deciduous woods, found in a moss bed in an area covered with many Oak trees.
Gills: The gills are a real light brown / sand color.
Stem: white near the top and very deep brown near the base. about 1 to 3 inches long. thickness of an ink pen give or take.
Cap: Brown in the middle to a light brown and then on some back to a deep brown towards the edges.
Spore print color: White
Bruising: No color change was observed.
Location: Northern Virginia (EAST COAST USA)
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
#7673918 - 11/24/07 09:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Honey Mushrooms, Armillaria sp..
suggestion- start a new thread for each new mushroom in the future.
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: CureCat]
#7673931 - 11/24/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh ok, my apologies. I thought i read that its okay to post multiple ID requests in a single thread but I guess that's when the IDs are placed in the initial posting.?
oh and thakns for the ID....just learning...obviously ;-) they look really cute and yummy when I initially picked them but they're all shriveled up now.
Edited by siphilon (11/24/07 09:19 AM)
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
#7674241 - 11/24/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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siphilon said: oh ok, my apologies. I thought i read that its okay to post multiple ID requests in a single thread but I guess that's when the IDs are placed in the initial posting.?
Yes, you got it. But don't get me wrong, it is not against the rules, however, based on how people read these threads, you have a much better chance of people seeing your new ID request if you make a separate thread.
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: siphilon]
#7674243 - 11/24/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea more virginians hunting. I love seeing people from va on here hunting. Virginia has alot to offer and just wait until spring for the real action to start. Good luck.
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: cactu]
#7674297 - 11/24/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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peele´s lepiota is a mushrooms found by steven. pele . and is supost to grow on pastures or grass , and bruise green in stem , the reaction is some how fast, and disapear in age, well is a doubfull especie since we never hear more about it , also the sustances in this mushrooms are supost to have similarities with lsa or other lisergic acid amines, and supost that the substance are inestable or degrade easyly.
I went back and forth with Peele about that Lepiota for quite some time, and I don't believe him quite honestly. My memory is quite fuzzy on all the details but, He claimed that he originally found them in a horse pasture in California. Then he started to say that back in the 80's people were picking and eating them in north Florida. He claimed the mushrooms stained Red (not blue) and they contained DMT (not Psilocybin). I think he has one single picture of the mushroom which just looks like a random Lepiota if you ask me. John Allen and I spent a good deal of time questioning him about the shroom many years ago, and even John said Peele was full of sh.t about that Lepiota. Again, I am real fuzzy on whatever details we got from Peele on the subject but in the end, I am honestly convinced it was and still is a hoax. Strange enough, nobody has knowingly found this mushroom since decades ago when Peele first claimed to have discovered it and claimed that kids were eating it and tripping out ect. Odd enough, I think he actually sells spores for this Lepiota at his website, I forget what species he named it, and it was probably only named by him and never had a proffessional mycologist do any taxonomy work on it. So, even tho I like the guys work and his website, I am convinced it is a hoax.
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: CureCat]
#10588007 - 06/28/09 06:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah im pretty sure none of those are edible...atleast not hallucinogenic.
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Re: ID Request, Virginia [Re: CureCat]
#10588280 - 06/28/09 07:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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CureCat said: Honey Mushrooms, Armillaria sp..
suggestion- start a new thread for each new mushroom in the future.
I would disagree, respectfully, if the gills were not white. I thought all honey mushroom species had white gills and spores. Not to mention those stems almost look pink or reddish which is real cool! I never met any Armillaria that had any red or pink colors or bruising effect.
Thoughts?
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