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InvisibleDiploidM
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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7653833 - 11/19/07 08:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

All current credible scientists agree that MOST LIKELY, GW is caused by humans.

Nope. A significant fraction of scientists do not agree. Unfortunately, most who disagree keep quiet because of the hysterical witch-hunts anthropogenic global warming advocates have launched against anyone who dissents:

Michael Griffin, NASA's administrator, made the mistake of expressing skepticism of the anthropogenic warming theory. Instead of rational debate, he nearly got his balls handed to him. He made a hasty recanting in order to keep his job.

In this hysterical climate, it's not surprising that a "majority" of scientists tow the line. Still, some have the courage to speak out rationally:

"NASA's top administrator, Michael Griffin, speaking on NPR radio made some refreshingly sensible comments about the present global warming scare," said Robert Ferguson, Director of the Science and Public Policy Institute. "Many rationalist scientists agree with him, clearly demonstrating there is no scientific consensus on man-made, catastrophic global warming," said Ferguson.

Said Dr. Walter Starck, an Australian marine scientist, "Griffin makes an important distinction between the scientific findings of climate change and dramatic predictions of catastrophic consequences accompanied by policy demands. The former can be evaluated by its evidence, but; the latter rest only on assertions and claims to authority. Alternate predictions of benefits from projected changes have been proposed with comparable authority and plausibility. For example, unless one chooses to define the Little Ice Age as "normal" and "optimal" the net effect of any warming has only been beneficial and any anthropogenic contribution very small indeed. Dramatic predictions of imminent disaster have a near perfect record of failure. Griffin's note of caution in the escalating concern over climate change deserves sober consideration.

Kansas geologist, Lee Gerhard added, "Griffin's statement focuses on the hubris that affects much of public policy. It is great to know that someone out there besides geologists understands that humans do not dominate earth's dynamic systems.


Many more dissenting scientists (not laypeople) speak out in the rest of that article here: ewire.com


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: Diploid]
    #7653915 - 11/19/07 08:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
All current credible scientists agree that MOST LIKELY, GW is caused by humans.

Nope. A significant fraction of scientists do not agree. Unfortunately, most who disagree keep quiet because of the hysterical witch-hunts anthropogenic global warming advocates have launched against anyone who dissents:

Michael Griffin, NASA's administrator, made the mistake of expressing skepticism of the anthropogenic warming theory. Instead of rational debate, he nearly got his balls handed to him. He made a hasty recanting in order to keep his job.

In this hysterical climate, it's not surprising that a "majority" of scientists tow the line. Still, some have the courage to speak out rationally:

"NASA's top administrator, Michael Griffin, speaking on NPR radio made some refreshingly sensible comments about the present global warming scare," said Robert Ferguson, Director of the Science and Public Policy Institute. "Many rationalist scientists agree with him, clearly demonstrating there is no scientific consensus on man-made, catastrophic global warming," said Ferguson.

Said Dr. Walter Starck, an Australian marine scientist, "Griffin makes an important distinction between the scientific findings of climate change and dramatic predictions of catastrophic consequences accompanied by policy demands. The former can be evaluated by its evidence, but; the latter rest only on assertions and claims to authority. Alternate predictions of benefits from projected changes have been proposed with comparable authority and plausibility. For example, unless one chooses to define the Little Ice Age as "normal" and "optimal" the net effect of any warming has only been beneficial and any anthropogenic contribution very small indeed. Dramatic predictions of imminent disaster have a near perfect record of failure. Griffin's note of caution in the escalating concern over climate change deserves sober consideration.

Kansas geologist, Lee Gerhard added, "Griffin's statement focuses on the hubris that affects much of public policy. It is great to know that someone out there besides geologists understands that humans do not dominate earth's dynamic systems.


Many more dissenting scientists (not laypeople) speak out in the rest of that article here: ewire.com




You can believe your conspiracy theories.

The REALITY of this all is that you are in the minority, and the scientists who disagree are in the minority, and therefore ALL policy decisions MUST be made with regard to the MAJORITY.

That is how this will place out and that's how it should play out. There is no other viable alternative to follow.

You can believe whatever you want, but we will continue to trust the majority's view, because that is the most credible one we have. Not paid oil-shills that are in denial.


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So when you're ridin' through the ruts,
Don't you complicate your mind.

Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy
Don't bury your thoughts,
Put your vision to reality, yeah!


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7653928 - 11/19/07 09:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Not paid oil-shills that are in denial.

Which dissenting scientist in that link works for the oil lobby?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: Diploid]
    #7653953 - 11/19/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Even if they aren't it doesn't matter. They are outnumbered, period. We listen to the credible majority, period. There's nothing you can do until the majority of scientists disagree with my belief. And that has not been happening. My side has only been strengthened. Do you deny that?


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Life is one big road with lots of signs,
So when you're ridin' through the ruts,
Don't you complicate your mind.

Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy
Don't bury your thoughts,
Put your vision to reality, yeah!


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: Diploid]
    #7654098 - 11/19/07 10:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There are scientists today who still do not believe that AIDS is caused by HIV. You could probably make a compelling documentary called "The Great HIV Swindle" by interviewing these scientists. But I don't think this would be compelling enough to stop focusing on HIV cures.


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: Silversoul]
    #7654142 - 11/19/07 10:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

LOL!


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So when you're ridin' through the ruts,
Don't you complicate your mind.

Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy
Don't bury your thoughts,
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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7654592 - 11/19/07 12:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Visions to Reality said:

"It is sort of like somebody looking at something without your glasses. You cannot clearly and crisply see everything, but you can make out a blurry image of a raving lunatic coming at you full speed with a machete raised in the air, and know that it is not a good thing. And what happens when you can see him crisply and clearly? Well, by then it's too late, and the machete-wielding lunatic is 2 inches from your face."

Something about the imagery on that; and the following comment from you, remind me of the fundie christian mentality. In this case it is being applied to a scientific theory.

"Even if they aren't it doesn't matter. They are outnumbered, period. We listen to the credible majority, period. There's nothing you can do until the majority of scientists disagree with my belief. And that has not been happening. My side has only been strengthened".

Your belief does not in fact make it a universal truth.


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When you have solved all the mysteries of life you long for death, for it is but another mystery of life.


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