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UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom
    #7645746 - 11/16/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7098902.stm


A UN panel has agreed a landmark report on climate change, and says the world must act hastily to prevent the worst predicted effects coming to pass.

After arduous talks in Valencia, Spain, scientists agreed a document they hope will shape debate on the next phase of the fight against climate change.

It declared the fact of global warming "unequivocal", and said it may bring "abrupt and irreversible" impacts.

The text will be officially launched by UN chief Ban Ki-moon on Saturday.

Delegates to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) summarised thousands of pages of scientific analysis, bringing together elements of the three reports already released this year, on the science of climate change, impacts and adaptation, and options for mitigating the problem.

"This is the strongest report yet by the IPCC - but says that there is still time to act," Bill Hare, an Australian climate scientist and one of the authors, told Reuters.

Among the report's top-line conclusions are that climate change is "unequivocal", that humankind's emissions of greenhouse gases are more than 90% likely to be the main cause, and that impacts can be reduced at reasonable cost.

The synthesis summary finalised late on Friday strengthens the language of those earlier reports with a warning that climate change may bring "abrupt and irreversible" impacts.

Such impacts could include the fast melting of glaciers and species extinctions.

"Climate change is here, it's impacting our lives and our economies, and we need to do something about it," commented Hans Verolme, director of the climate change programme with the environmental group WWF.

"After this report, there are no politicians left who can argue they don't know what climate change is or they don't know what to do about it."

Local witnesses

At a news conference, WWF presented testimonies from "climate change witnesses" in various parts of the world.

Speaking by video link, Australian scientists and fishermen spoke of the changes they were seeing on the Great Barrier Reef. And Olav Mathis Eira, a Sami reindeer herder from Norway, said that his communities are seeing weather patterns unprecedented in their oral history.

"Winter is one-and-a-half months later than it used to be," he said. "We observed birds and insects that do not have a name in Sami."

The 20-page synthesis summary by the Nobel Prize-winning IPCC will be accompanied by a longer, more detailed document.

The findings will feed into the next round of negotiations on the UN climate convention and Kyoto Protocol, which open in Bali on 3 December.

"The report sends a very strong signal to Bali," said Mr Verolme of the WWF. "Now it's up to the politicians."


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7645782 - 11/16/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

VisionsToReality said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7098902.stm


A UN panel has agreed a landmark report on climate change, and says the world must act hastily to prevent the worst predicted effects coming to pass.

After arduous talks in Valencia, Spain, scientists agreed a document they hope will shape debate on the next phase of the fight against climate change.

It declared the fact of global warming "unequivocal", and said it may bring "abrupt and irreversible" impacts.

The text will be officially launched by UN chief Ban Ki-moon on Saturday.

Delegates to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) summarised thousands of pages of scientific analysis, bringing together elements of the three reports already released this year, on the science of climate change, impacts and adaptation, and options for mitigating the problem.

"This is the strongest report yet by the IPCC - but says that there is still time to act," Bill Hare, an Australian climate scientist and one of the authors, told Reuters.

Among the report's top-line conclusions are that climate change is "unequivocal", that humankind's emissions of greenhouse gases are more than 90% likely to be the main cause, and that impacts can be reduced at reasonable cost.

The synthesis summary finalised late on Friday strengthens the language of those earlier reports with a warning that climate change may bring "abrupt and irreversible" impacts.

Such impacts could include the fast melting of glaciers and species extinctions.

"Climate change is here, it's impacting our lives and our economies, and we need to do something about it," commented Hans Verolme, director of the climate change programme with the environmental group WWF.

"After this report, there are no politicians left who can argue they don't know what climate change is or they don't know what to do about it."

Local witnesses

At a news conference, WWF presented testimonies from "climate change witnesses" in various parts of the world.

Speaking by video link, Australian scientists and fishermen spoke of the changes they were seeing on the Great Barrier Reef. And Olav Mathis Eira, a Sami reindeer herder from Norway, said that his communities are seeing weather patterns unprecedented in their oral history.

"Winter is one-and-a-half months later than it used to be," he said. "We observed birds and insects that do not have a name in Sami."

The 20-page synthesis summary by the Nobel Prize-winning IPCC will be accompanied by a longer, more detailed document.

The findings will feed into the next round of negotiations on the UN climate convention and Kyoto Protocol, which open in Bali on 3 December.

"The report sends a very strong signal to Bali," said Mr Verolme of the WWF. "Now it's up to the politicians."




The UN is full of shit and supporting the profit business of global warming. (example: carbon credits)
The next cycle is close at hand:
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/comment/story.html?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4&p=4
http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=571597
The scientists in at least 2 countries have looked beyond the near term and at the wide picture over centuries.


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: hummermania00]
    #7645819 - 11/16/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Jesus christ first that PETA Bullshit about cage free eggs and now this? Hummer is right this is a complete crock their is NO PROOF of global warming. Get off the Al Gore band wagon and try thinking for yourself!


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: disturbed]
    #7645917 - 11/16/07 09:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The empirical data on global warming is mounting up such that the deniers will never win. Mark my words. Over the years, evidence against deniers has been growing and is verified more and more.

The UN's IPCC is the world's most credible group on climate change, period. Here is why: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7082088.stm


We KNOW what the chemical properties of CO2 are. We know what it can do once in the atmosphere.

For anybody to think that disturbing the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere by dumping millions and millions of metric tonnes of CO2 in the air every year is not a problem, is ridiculous. The theoretical and empirical data puts deniers to shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.
It's all gravy though, because the entire civilized world's majority believes man is causing global warming. Our society supports it, and more importantly, SCIENCE supports it. I love science. Don't you?



Some people say "there's no proof!"
Well: NOTHING in the world of science is EVER proven. EVER. That's one of the golden rules of science. We can never prove the sun will rise tomorrow. We can NEVER prove gravity exists. And that is the 100% truth. Science is ALL theory.


Edited by VisionsToReality (11/16/07 09:24 PM)


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: hummermania00]
    #7645940 - 11/16/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/comment/story.html?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4&p=4
http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=571597
The scientists in at least 2 countries have looked beyond the near term and at the wide picture over centuries.




I trust the IPCC over a random, most likely bias sampling of only a handful of countries.

You can find scientists anywhere that will say whatever you want. The only thing that matters, though, is - are they credible?
I believe yours are not. Especially since they are talking about sunspots, seeing as how the majority of the world's credible scientists agree that sunspots are not to blame.

Do you really think it's just a coincidence that around the industrial age in the 1800s that CO2 started booming, being spewed into the air by humans, and that shortly following that boom, temps rose? And that over 800,000 years of stable climate has suddenly changed because of the sun, and not CO2? And that it's a coincidence that 800,000 years of data taken from ice cores reveal that temp and CO2 are closely connected? C'mon. not only does it make sense to the average layman, but the majority of our scientists confirm that man is to blame, at least in some part.



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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7645944 - 11/16/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thank the fictional baby jesus that we have ice cores that have naturally recorded temp and co2 levels over hundreds of thousands of years. Without that, we as a civilization may have been fooled by the greedy oilpigs who have funded false science to confuse the average layman who finds global warming to be a farse.


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: disturbed]
    #7645945 - 11/16/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

their is NO PROOF of global warming

There IS proof of global warming. I don't know any climate scientist who disputes this.

What is in dispute is the cause. This is why:

1. The Earth has been much warmer than it is now many times in the past.

2. The Earth's atmosphere has contained much higher concentrations of CO2 many times in the past.

So, while there's little doubt that the Earth is warming, there is a lot of doubt about the cause. It may well be that the Earth does this all by itself from time to time and we're just along for the ride, or minimally contributing.

Be critical of the media. They make money by riling people up, and this global warming hysteria is selling a lot of newspapers.


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: Diploid]
    #7645956 - 11/16/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

First off, there is no proof of anything. We cannot prove gravity. We cannot PROVE quantum physics. We can only hypothesize and forumulate theories that are backed up with empirical data.

Please - go ask any credible scientist if they can prove ANYTHING - and they will tell you what I am saying - the answer is no.

Anyways, the rest- these are basic things, diploid. The earth's floura, fauna, and climate have varied GREATLY.

The point to take home is that earth's floura and fauna, as well as climate, have all worked together to maintain a natural cycle that has lasted over 800,000 years.

There is nothing significant that science has found that leads us to believe that NATURE is to blame for breaking this 800,000 year cycle.

That is why climates of various times are justified. On the doubt you pose about the cause, well - it has been become more and more clear every single year that man is to blame, as the data is reeled in and compiled.

Seriously - I don't get the deniers. Every single year for the last 10 years, data has been supporting my beliefs - not yours - and is only getting stronger.

I just wonder - how long will it take for the deniers to wake up?


Edited by VisionsToReality (11/16/07 09:38 PM)


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: Diploid]
    #7645976 - 11/16/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think pollution in general is a huge problem for us.  There are citys that jogging along bissy streets is bad for your health.  The air is really poor and rises health problems that should be seen in reports.  Im thinking overall if were not causing global warming we are still shooting ourselves in the foot with pollution.

Just to note I do think we are causing a rise in global tempatures, they had a show on tv about all the planets near us and went through them one by one as possible alternitives to earth.  I remember on one of them the planet had very high tempatures and they said it was a result of the high co2 on that planet (if memory serves me right:tinfoil:).


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7645978 - 11/16/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah air pollution is scary. Just driving on a traffic-hit highway is akin to riding through a tunnel of smoggy air filled with toxins. It's no wonder everybody is getting cancer. Then you have china, making unregulated coal factories, sheesh. People have said you get lightheaded in some places over there from all the crap in the air. Not to mention they have found smog originating in asia to have accumulated in the arctic. Yuk.


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7645993 - 11/16/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The point to take home is that earth's floura and fauna, as well as climate, have all worked together to maintain a natural cycle that has lasted over 800,000 years.

We may be in the beginning of another cycle that would be happening anyway even if humans didn't exist.

For anybody to think that disturbing the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere by dumping millions and millions of metric tonnes of CO2 in the air every year is not a problem, is ridiculous.

And the ocean contains 35,000 gigatons of CO2, which it cycles out to the atmosphere on a regular schedule. By comparison, humans produce only 25 gigatons per year. Humans would have to produce CO2 at the current rate for 1,440 years to match what is ALREADY in the ocean.

Even at our worst, we're dwarfed by the ocean's ability to sink and dump CO2. What's ridiculous is to be convinced our tiny contribution is causing the majority of the CO2 concentration change based on the currently-incomplete picture.


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: Diploid]
    #7646002 - 11/16/07 09:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, if you look around at updated data, the ocean is actually reaching its saturation point of CO2

Also, CO2 in the ocean acidifies it, harming the balance of the oceanic ecosystem, killing coral, etc. Too much CO2 in the ocean is not a good thing, and the ocean is soon going to reach its tipping point in terms of soaking CO2, as the data has shown.

Dip - the thing is that there is no reason as to why the earth would suddenly change its course. Scientists have ruled out solar phenomena, they have ruled out natural phenomena, and the 1 thing that remains to tilt the balance of our world is humans. Scientists have looked at ALL of these things you are saying, and they have counted them out. The credible ones, that is.

Will everything the scientists say today be true in a few years? Of course not. That is the nature of science. We can only go so far with the technology we currently have.

It is sort of like somebody looking at something without your glasses. You cannot clearly and crisply see everything, but you can make out a blurry image of a raving lunatic coming at you full speed with a machete raised in the air, and know that it is not a good thing. And what happens when you can see him crisply and clearly? Well, by then it's too late, and the machete-wielding lunatic is 2 inches from your face.


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: Diploid]
    #7646005 - 11/16/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have another perspective althow it is a small one

I wonder if maybe car engines could be raising tempatures? I googled it said 600 million cars are in the world. if every car in your city parked on the roads and left their engines running I would think the air temp would raise a little.

this effect is probly going to be small, but i could see it maybe raising global temps by 1f? who knows..


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7646081 - 11/16/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Heh. Never thought about that. Interesting


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7646082 - 11/16/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yah i mean think about it, leave your oven on in your house and it will take the chill off


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: Diploid]
    #7646119 - 11/16/07 10:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Diploid said:
their is NO PROOF of global warming

There IS proof of global warming. I don't know any climate scientist who disputes this.

What is in dispute is the cause. This is why:

1. The Earth has been much warmer than it is now many times in the past.

2. The Earth's atmosphere has contained much higher concentrations of CO2 many times in the past.

So, while there's little doubt that the Earth is warming, there is a lot of doubt about the cause. It may well be that the Earth does this all by itself from time to time and we're just along for the ride, or minimally contributing.

Be critical of the media. They make money by riling people up, and this global warming hysteria is selling a lot of newspapers.




Ok I guess in should been a little more clear there is no proof humans have anything to do with the climate change. I was a little quick with the reply because I get sop frustrated with sheep that follow every little bullshit thing they are told.

Visions since your so all about science how have you forgotten about the fundamental rule that correlation does not equal causation?

I'm with diploid here all the way.

We already had one ice age and somehow the earth warmed up without exhaust from the internal combustion engine what's your explanation for that?


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: hummermania00]
    #7646124 - 11/16/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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The UN is full of shit




This is usually true; not just in this case.


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: Ziggen]
    #7646135 - 11/16/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well it's a good thing the UN isn't heading up actual research.

It's an international group of scientists from (if I'm not mistaken) 140 different countries


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7646138 - 11/16/07 10:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, if you look around at updated data, the ocean is actually reaching its saturation point of CO2

Exactly. You make my point for me.

The oceans are reaching saturation, meaning they may be at the top of the CO2 sinking curve and are now becoming a CO2 SOURCE instead of a sink. The point is, we're still not sure. The sample size is too small to be meaningful.


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Re: UN declares global warming unequivocal, saying abrupt warming & irreversible changes loom [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7646144 - 11/16/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I wonder if maybe car engines could be raising tempatures?

Cars contribute virtually no heat at all when compared to the sun. This is like wondering if pissing at the beach might raise sea level.


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