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Can cannabutter be cooked too long?
#7645684 - 11/16/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm thinking of tossing some hash in the slow cooker with the necessary ingredients over night.
Could this be overkill?
Whoa, thought I was in the ODD section. Sorry.
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: PyroBurns]
#7645755 - 11/16/07 08:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Long as it doesn't go above the vaporization point (390F), and is above 150F (around 200F or 212F to be safe) it shouldn't matter
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Well I'm FINALLY going to find out if that hash was legit or not, in a healthy fashion even. How quaint.
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: PyroBurns]
#7645857 - 11/16/07 09:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If it's a small amount, u may just be better off smoking. We've found that with half eighths or eighths of nug, it's pretty tough to get decent cannabutter. Why, who knows. Maybe someone else with more cannabutter exp. can try. It just seems waaay easier with more quantity rather than tryin to do low quantity. It's gotta be possible. My theory is that with very little quantity of nug, the thc molecules need more TIME to float around and contact the butter. Whereas large amounts have so much damn THC floatin around that you're bound to succeed.
So, maybe your all-nighter is actually a benefit, in that it gives more time for the reactions to occur with the butter. Just make sure it's hot enough, and that your water doesn't boil away while ya sleep
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That's what I'm thinking the more that I think about it.
But the more I think, the more it seems like I got bunk hash. I mean there's .4 oz of the stuff and it wasn't very expensive. And I live in a bad area.
But then again, it DID get me high... I think... AGGH I'm too impatient. It hasn't even been 20 minutes and I want to taste it already.
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: PyroBurns]
#7645925 - 11/16/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if your impatient then just smoke it already. otherwise, Visions is right... don't melt the molecule and it's all good. personally, i've only boiled it for ~30 minutes but physics says you can get away with longer.
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: debianlinux]
#7645955 - 11/16/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was about to say, "How the fuck do you correct yourself in a post when you realized you're posting in the wrong forum?" then I saw that you edited it. Sorry, Im high probably just like everyone else is on the Shroomery.
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: TrancedShroom]
#7645965 - 11/16/07 09:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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not me, you filthy pot head.
i bet you have cum stains on your trousers.
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: usefulidiot13]
#7645968 - 11/16/07 09:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yea
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: debianlinux]
#7645975 - 11/16/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
debianlinux said: melt
melt would be the wrong word. vaporize, my friend. vaporize is the right word. because then you lose the molecule to the air, since it becomes gaseous. melting is a solid phase to liquid phase change.
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i tried making a small amount today and just eating it on bread because i got my wisdom teeth removed.
i used about 1 gram.
it didnt work 
oven was on 275 
i must be some sort of tard.
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somebody should pressure cook some nugs in a canning jar and then inhale after they open the jar 
then afterwords you could try smoking the weed and see if anything is left, should be a fun little experment.
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: usefulidiot13]
#7645991 - 11/16/07 09:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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dunno. same thing has happened to us. people claim you can use a gram and get high off it, but surely it depends on how good the nug is. small amounts seem to be harder to put to use. every time i've done 1/8 or under it has not worked, why, who knows. try for larger amounts
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use peanut butter on crackers next time, that shit works wonders (search fire crackers)
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that sucks.
this was pretty good weed.
tomorrow im just making a firecracker. surely if i am careful and eat slowly i can avoid hurting my mouth.
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molecules actually crack.
when molecules break from high temperature it is because their constituent electrons vibrate to the point that they release from their nucleic bond. another term, in electronics, is avalanche breakdown.
in this case THC is not being vaporized. if it were you could get stoned by inhaling the vapor coming off the pot of boiling material; which is happening anyway due to inconsistent temperatures about the entirety of the heated mass. as it is tho, the molecule is actually breaking down into simpler molecules, i.e. cracking. the resulting compounds bond with oxygen in the water, aka oxidization... or they ionize.
you are correct that melting is not absolutely the correct terminology. generally speaking tho, when something loses inherit properties to heat it has melted.
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: debianlinux]
#7646015 - 11/16/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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my previous post just and the last just gave me an idea, you could turn a stainless steel pressure cooking into a huge vaporizer 
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: debianlinux]
#7646026 - 11/16/07 10:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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debianlinux said: in this case THC is not being vaporized. if it were you could get stoned by inhaling the vapor coming off the pot of boiling material; which is happening anyway due to inconsistent temperatures about the entirety of the heated mass. as it is tho, the molecule is actually breaking down into simpler molecules, i.e. cracking. the resulting compounds bond with oxygen in the water, aka oxidization... or they ionize.
I think you misunderstood what I was sayin.
I was warning against getting the liquid too hot - if it reaches 390F, THC vaporizes, turns into a vapor, and you lose it out of the liquid, into the air. This is what you do not want to happen, and generally this is what does not happen if butter techniques are done correctly.
If vaporization of THC lead to THC breaking down into different chemical substituents, then vaporizers wouldn't work. THC vaporizes at 390F into a vapor state, it doesn't crack or anything.
But what does happen when at temps of 150F-under 390F, is that the carboxylate group (the COOH group on THC), will come off, and thus, THC is decarboxylated, allowing it to have a chemical bonding site to butter, so it can hitch a rollercoaster ride with the butter into your blood. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7646032 - 11/16/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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nice idea. just attach a hose to a pressure regulator valve and voila... maybe. i'll stick to my tried and proven glass bowl till you work out the complications of that particular tek.
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good luck getting h2o to 390F. otherwise, you are sounding spot on to my alcohol pickled brain.
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: debianlinux]
#7646046 - 11/16/07 10:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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debianlinux said: good luck getting h2o to 390F. otherwise, you are sounding spot on to my alcohol pickled brain.
Ah yes, this is the wonder of using water with butter.
With butter alone, you risk reaching very high temps.
With water, you're able to control the temp to a max of 212F at atmospheric pressure.
Thanks for bringing that up!
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: debianlinux]
#7646047 - 11/16/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah you could even remove your pressure gauge or *safty*pressure release valve and drop a cooking temp gauge down to the bottom to monitor exact temps 
from their the problem i see is the vapor might sit at the top of the pot, the answer, remove your pressure gauge and leave a hole, then you can suck from your hose, use the hole like a choke
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: PyroBurns]
#7646049 - 11/16/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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anything can be cooked too long
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how in the fuck did you get a reg date of 2 months ago? you've been around far longer than that?
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: debianlinux]
#7646065 - 11/16/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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What? 2 months ago sounds about right. Wasn't here before that. Why would you say that, because of my ridiculous post ratio, or somethin?
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the avatar and the name seem awfully related. i was putting you at something more like 2 years ago. wtf?! too much sake for me! i swear you were the rage in the LNC threads of yore.
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: debianlinux]
#7646095 - 11/16/07 10:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know there's another "Visions" name around here. Seen it befre.
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: debianlinux]
#7647363 - 11/17/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Has anyone ever made literal hash oil before?
Here's a rundown: -I cooked it in lard and some water overnight after coffee grinding it. -When it was ground up, I saw what looked like bits of sawdust. But I can't be sure at all, because it was mixed with a little bit of tobacco I stored it with. -It surprisingly didn't smell like much while cooking. I thought it would smell up the whole hall. -Then I threw a piece of fish in there for 2 hours -Just ate the fish which actually tasted pretty good. There was some grit on it though from the hash which I scraped off. Is hash supposed to completely melt into the solution? -I'm already feeling fine but I'll attribute that to placebo and possibly amphetamine. We'll see how I feel at 3:32 PM.
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: debianlinux]
#7647613 - 11/17/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I'm not rip roarin stoned. But I did get homework done which is cool.
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: debianlinux]
#7647699 - 11/17/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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make fire crackers. 2 grams of mids or 1 gram of nugs will put anyones ass on the sofa for 16 hours
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Re: Can cannabutter be cooked too long? [Re: moon_glue]
#7647751 - 11/17/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well that concludes my extraction. I ate the rest of it so I could get some effects going which was probably a pretty dumb idea. Oh well, I didn't want that shit sitting in my fridge.
Here's a summary: -Get shitty hash -Grind it -Put it in lots of oil and some water and let it cook above 180 degrees but below 350 for a long time. -Filter it into a bowl -Scoop the oil off the top -Enjoy your shitty tasting oil that probably won't fuck you up too much.
I really hope I didn't consume all that for nothing. I mean if that fish gave me some buzz, then that pull should actually do something.... I really hope.
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