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Offlinekidaihuan
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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7673725 - 11/24/07 07:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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How long would a wall need to be in order to list the names of the one million Vietnamese that were killed in that war?




Hell yeah!

Also, the mentioning about the don't join if they aren't up for combat. That's EXACTLY what I've been telling everyone.

These guys think they should be able to use the defence that they never thought they'd have to go to war?! These guys signed up for the cash and didn't think they'd have to do anything for it. If they actually signed up to defend their country, they would expect to go to war.

And as for the allegation that people should sign up to defend American freedoms. Come on. COME ON. You've fallen face first into propaganda.

This war has NOTHING to do with American freedoms and nothing good, freedom wise, has come from it in regards to Americans. Ever heard of the Patriot Act?


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7673812 - 11/24/07 08:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm tired of the cries of "PROPOGANDA". It is stupid and, seemingly, the first resort of the intellectually weak. Along with "BRAIN WASHED", it is typically spouted by the disaffected mass of conformist, intellectually incestuous faux hipster so prevalant among the oh-so-smart young who have never actually done anything in their lives except pass tests and blow professors. Lose it, it has zero weight. Like "SHEEPLE", it exposes you as a follower, not a leader.

American freedoms? What happened to that famous leftard dictum in re: "when anyone is not free no one is". At any rate, that is not a trap I have fallen into regarding this war. Saddam's crimes, failures to adhere to his parole restrictions and expected recidivism were quite enough for me. Another benefit would have been that other lunatics would have been deterred from fucking with us, and other nations from helping them, if they perceived that we had shed our irresoluteness, but the perfidy of the press and the perceived notions of electoral expediency in the Democrat party have pretty much wiped away any chance of that happening. Too bad, the fifth column has succeeded in fucking that pooch.


If you could, please explain how the Patriot Act has effected your life in any way whatsoever, other than increased apoplexy and heightened sense of outrage.


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7673862 - 11/24/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I'm tired of the cries of "PROPOGANDA".  It is stupid and, seemingly, the first resort of the intellectually weak.  Along with "BRAIN WASHED", it is typically spouted by the disaffected mass of conformist, intellectually incestuous faux hipster so prevalant among the oh-so-smart young who have never actually done anything in their lives except pass tests and blow professors.  Lose it, it has zero weight.  Like "SHEEPLE", it exposes you as a follower, not a leader.

American freedoms?  What happened to that famous leftard dictum in re: "when anyone is not free no one is".  At any rate, that is not a trap I have fallen into regarding this war.  Saddam's crimes, failures to adhere to his parole restrictions and expected recidivism were quite enough for me.  Another benefit would have been that other lunatics would have been deterred from fucking with us, and other nations from helping them, if they perceived that we had shed our irresoluteness, but the perfidy of the press and the perceived notions of electoral expediency in the Democrat party have pretty much wiped away any chance of that happening.  Too bad, the fifth column has succeeded in fucking that pooch.


If you could, please explain how the Patriot Act has effected your life in any way whatsoever, other than increased apoplexy and heightened sense of outrage.




:rofl:

you rock, dude.


and about the war not being about american freedoms...well, go fuck yourself. if we arent over there right now fighting the fight, where do you think the line will be drawn? in our own backyard. its about choosing where to fight our battles, and personally, i dont want my kid growing up where she could be blown up because terrorists hate america. and dont pull the "so you would do that to the iraquis" crap. its us or them, not both.

and this "enlisting without thinking ill actually go to war" is bullcrap. who the hell joins the military thinking that they wont go fight? the ignorant, for one, but then again, i dont want to serve with those guys anyways.

oh, and nice post brain. i have tremendous respect for your family, especially your uncle who died in combat. those crosses are there to let the enemy know not to shoot as a medics job is to tend for everyone, bad guys or otherwise, but in modern guerrilla warfare, rules like that dont apply, unfortunately.

anyways, i suck with words. ill let zapp do the talking, as he royally sodomized you guys.:awesome:


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And if you are going to waste peoples time with your stupid questions, at least try to have grammar skills higher then that of a 7th grader.

READ DAMNIT! [/quote]


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7673864 - 11/24/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Personally, I don't feel THAT threatened by the Patriot Act, but I think that people are entitled to feel their privacy could too easily be invaded. Our government was established with checks and balances for a reason and wiretapping without a judjges approval seems a bit threatening to our freedom.

Sure it may seem ridiculous to people like Zappa to think the Patriot Act is a slippery slope to 1984, but given how easily it is for people in power to try to abuse their power, I don't blame people for feeling threatened. 1/3 of the countries in the world are run by nutjobs who managed to slowly trick their country into thinking their the savior of their nation (e.g. North Korea) so I don't think it's that farfetched to think there are plenty of people who would abuse that power.

I mean hell... I hate Bush but I think he has good intentions. However I can't imagine how bad we'd be if we had the Patriot Act with some kiniving bitch like Hillary running the country. I think it's bad enough to have a zealous bunch of people like the Republicans in the White House using the Patriot Act to their will, but I think there are too many elitist ass Democrats who would REALLY start to abuse it.

I don't think people so much have a problem with what the Patriot Act has done, but what it is capable of doing. All someone in the executive branch has to do is label you a possible terrorist and not even have to present evidence toa judge and bam... you're entire life is recorded.

It's the invasion of privacy that is people's problem.

That whole "If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about" is bunk. If one overly zealous person decides to poke around in your life, he'll have almost no legal obstacles to clicking a few buttons and bam... hundreds of people are listening to your conversations and poking into your private business.

I'd like to take all the people who use the "if you have nothing to hde.." argument... put some hidden cameras and microphones in their house and then broadcast everything about that person on network television in prime time. I'd like to see what they thought about having all their dirty laundry aired in front of 300,000,000 people. Who cares if it's 300 million people or 100 people in suits in DC listening to how you smoked pot, jerked off in the shower, took a shit that looked like Jesus, etc...

The point is you still have total strangers listening to how you jerked off in the shower and took a shit that looked like Jesus. Even just ONE person listening to how I jerked off in the shower is one person too many.

The Patriot Act may not directly be a threat as of now, but it's a law which can cause great damage because of it's potential for abuse.

I live in a pretty safe neighborhood and I think 99.999% of the time I'd be safe enough to keep my doors unlocked in of some emergency that could be cataostrophic to me... like my wife has a heart attack and can't unlock the door, but I lock it anyways because I don't want to risk a rare case of some untamed asshole busting in and invading my privacy or raping my family members. You could argue that a law needs to be passed to make everyone in safe neighborhoods unlock their doors in the rare even of some rare emergency where they need to get in, but I'd prefer just to keep my doors locked.

Ben Franklin once (disputedly) said: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety". Whether or not it was Frankling or some other founder, the point it this quote was kept in mind my many of the trailblazers that created our government and I think it should still ring true today.

To avoid being accused of any straw man argument, I'll say the following paragraph doesn't deal so much with zappa's comments:

I argue with a lot of hardcore christians about the patriot act and other issues. When I bring up this quote I usually get the response "Well.. times are different so we need to adapt and bla bla bla". What's ironic is that when I start talking about how the marriage of church and state needs to be checked because some religions deserve to be treated fairly, I always get the argument "Well this country was founded on religious freedom for CHRISTIANS! not Muslims!".

I find it amusing that so many people who seem to think that our founding principles regarding privacy can be adapted, but our founding principles regarding religion cannot.


Edited by BrAiN (11/24/07 08:43 AM)


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7673954 - 11/24/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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FecalDildo said:
How long would a wall need to be in order to list the names of the one million Vietnamese that were killed in that war?




You should probably ask someone from Vietnam, b/c it wouldn't make much sense for the United States to build one.


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: BrAiN]
    #7673966 - 11/24/07 09:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

My challenge was not to you, it was to the other guy. I also understand the slippery slope discomfort. But there is, as far as I can tell, nothing in the Patriot Act that allows improper evidence to be introduced in a trial. Just a lot of hysterical crap from the likes of Alex Jones. Most people here should be a lot more concerned about sniffer dogs and thermal imaging, both allowed.


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8880211 - 09/04/08 11:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

we must fite 2 end terror!


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