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Army desertion rates up 80%
    #7645042 - 11/16/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

WASHINGTON (AP) — Soldiers strained by six years at war are deserting their posts at the highest rate since 1980, with the number of Army deserters this year showing an 80% increase since the United States invaded Iraq in 2003.

While the totals are still far lower than they were during the Vietnam war, when the draft was in effect, they show a steady increase over the past four years and a 42% jump since last year.

According to the Army, about nine in every 1,000 soldiers deserted in fiscal year 2007, which ended Sept. 30, compared to nearly seven per 1,000 a year earlier. Overall, 4,698 soldiers deserted this year, compared to 3,301 last year.

The increase comes as the Army continues to bear the brunt of the war demands with many soldiers serving repeated, lengthy tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Military leaders — including Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey — have acknowledged that the Army has been stretched nearly to the breaking point by the combat. And efforts are underway to increase the size of the Army and Marine Corps to lessen the burden and give troops more time off between deployments.

Despite the continued increase in desertions, however, an Associated Press examination of Pentagon figures earlier this year showed that the military does little to find those who bolt, and rarely prosecutes the ones they get. Some are allowed to simply return to their units, while most are given less-than-honorable discharges.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071116/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/military_deserters_7;_ylt=AgKo0KXajDGW0A7Ih0nWTVIE1vAI


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: zorbman]
    #7645084 - 11/16/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Army desertion rates up 80%!



"According to the Army, about nine in every 1,000 soldiers deserted in fiscal year 2007, which ended Sept. 30, compared to nearly seven per 1,000 a year earlier."



WOW! :smirk:


The MSM is really digging for bad news lately.


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7645128 - 11/16/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

While the actual numbers are low, the increase does provide some indication of where the morale of our troops in headed. Which is into the toilet.


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: zorbman]
    #7645134 - 11/16/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well, for less than 1% of them it is.


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: zorbman]
    #7645154 - 11/16/07 05:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

They should start flying some Playboy bunnies in there on choppers or something to build that morale back up. :thumbup:

Just like in 'Apocalypse Now'.




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Edited by zorbman (11/16/07 05:55 PM)


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: zorbman]
    #7645357 - 11/16/07 07:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This is pretty unsettling as well. U.S. War Veterans are committing suicide at a rate of 120 a week now, according to this report.:(


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22762457-5005961,00.html


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7654745 - 11/19/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

They are also supporting the two most vocal anti-war candidates:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-09-13-military-donors_N.htm

Business interests who are thriving on the war bubble will continue to push
hard for the Clinton/Giuliani *eventuality* but perhaps an interested public
can overcome it by showing up at the polls.


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: zorbman]
    #7658303 - 11/20/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i know a guy in the army who's going to desert if they don't let him out for pts. he's done a couple tours and says he's never going back again. i support his decision. support the troops!


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: zorbman]
    #7658732 - 11/20/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Cpt. Willard-- Charlie didn't get much U.S.O. He was dug in too deep, or moving too fast. His idea of great R&R was cold rice and a little rat meat.


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7658811 - 11/20/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Charlie don't surf !


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: zorbman]
    #7659014 - 11/20/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Charlie don't surf !




But we think he should!


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7673063 - 11/24/07 12:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

this is horrible.

i think we need to give our troops more of the things they need, like money and time off...

as my instructor in boot camp told us, we are training to releive the guys that are out there now. not enough people are enlisting and the ones who care enough to serve are paying for it.

its sad really. my dad has been over there twice already and i can see the toll it takes on him


go enlist or something. :frown:


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: nobhdy]
    #7673536 - 11/24/07 05:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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as my instructor in boot camp told us, we are training to releive the guys that are out there now. not enough people are enlisting and the ones who care enough to serve are paying for it.

go enlist or something. :frown:




I don't understand.  What does "care enough to serve" mean?  Care about the war, care about relieving troops, care about serving just for the sake of it?


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: kotik]
    #7673556 - 11/24/07 05:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, volunteering to defend the rights and freedoms of americans.

and if you hadnt noticed, ALOT of people care about war. it is perhaps the ugliest thing humanity can muster, and yet alot of people will sit by and let the war be fought by only a few. Go relieve the guy. give him a break from war.


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7673629 - 11/24/07 06:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

zorbman said:
Charlie don't surf !




But we think he should!




and u know that it ain't no good


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: BrAiN]
    #7673638 - 11/24/07 06:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm going to get flamed for saying this.. but if you want to join the army and really don't want to go into combat... WTF?

Join the god damned CHAIR FOR.. er AIR FORCE. They pay just as well... have the same benefits for slackers that barely could graduate high school and could find no other work than the military.. and instead of getting sent to the front lines you'll probably just be assigned to mop a floor somewhere in Germany. Odds are the closest you'll get to having your life threatened is being stuck doing some paperwork in Kuwait or you'll get stuck as a crewmember on a plane.

No offense to anyone in the air force. I have close friends and family members in the airforce ranging everywhere from privaste to cap'n. But I think anyone here who served or know someone who served/serves in the airforce will agree with me.

I actually seriously considered applying to be an officer in the AF a few years ago... but got deterred by the fact that I'd have to do a lie detector test.

Anyone who joined the army after 9/11 and DIDN'T think they'd eventually be stuck out in the middle east for a year or two at a time was kidding themselves.


Edited by BrAiN (11/24/07 06:37 AM)


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: BrAiN]
    #7673661 - 11/24/07 06:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This is sort of off topic..

I was showing my in laws around DC this past week when they came to visit me here. I took em around the Vietnam memorial. I just thought I'd post a pic of it here for those of you who've never had the opportunity to see it.



It's pretty astounding and gives you some real perspective. Every name on that wall is someone who died in combat. This wall goes on for about 100 yards (granted the size of the wall gets smaller on each side).

My dad's brother's name is up on there. He was an unarmed medic who got drafted. He was supposed to be my dad's best man but was forced to ship out the day of my parents' wedding. He showed up before the wedding, handed my dad an envelope and left. That was the last they saw of him. He was a medic with no gun and a big ol' red cross on his helmet. He was taken down by a sniper. I remember when we visited when I was a little kid, my dad put up some paper to it and embossed his name on it with a pencil.

I'm not sure if this wall even covers names of MIA's.

I have lots of family members who served or are serving in wars. My grandfather served in WWI, Korea, and Vietnam and lived through all of em. I just wish I had wisened up and learned to appreciate my grandparents' war stories before they all passed away.

My point? I dunno... I guess I just wanted to say that there have been about 2/3 of a million Americans who have died in combat the past 70 years or so. Some in wars that were neccessary.. some in controversial wars.

I think anyone that joins the army should be forced to take a walk around downtown DC and see the sights like this to get a better perspective on what they're getting into.... Make them talk to veterans who have been there... in WWI, Nam, Korea, anywhere we've lost people.

Make them do this BEFORE they sign the paper. Maybe then we'll have less of a desertion rate.


Edited by BrAiN (11/24/07 06:53 AM)


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: BrAiN]
    #7673693 - 11/24/07 06:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

How long would a wall need to be in order to list the names of the one million Vietnamese that were killed in that war?


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: nobhdy]
    #7673717 - 11/24/07 07:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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yeah, volunteering to defend the rights and freedoms of americans.

and if you hadnt noticed, ALOT of people care about war. it is perhaps the ugliest thing humanity can muster, and yet alot of people will sit by and let the war be fought by only a few. Go relieve the guy. give him a break from war.




what a joke. while I'm at it, why don't I go find people working double shifts in my local town and relieve them? How about I switch homes with families in high crime neighborhoods to relieve them?

This type of mentality displayed in the quote above is the type of trivial support that goes nowhere, and why we are in such a bad state now. If you are for the "war on terror" and everything else going on right now with our country, then by all means - join! Get paid to work side by side with contractors that make 4x as much as you, and have more freedoms... sounds like a great deal!


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Re: Army desertion rates up 80% [Re: FecalDildo]
    #7673722 - 11/24/07 07:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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How long would a wall need to be in order to list the names of the one million Vietnamese that were killed in that war?




Good question. I wonder if Vietnam has some sort of war memorial.

I'm sure the photos of the last few people getting on that U.S. Helicopter in '75 is probably good enough for a lot of Vietnamese survivors.


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