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InvisibleEgo Death
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Re: UFO's [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #7650264 - 11/18/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Quoiyaien said:
Is it that hard to believe that it could be a strangely shaped aerial vehicle being tested?





If you study the evidence then, yes it is hard to believe that!

If I was going to test a new flying machine then you would test it somewhere it would not be noticed too much - the desert, the sea etc
In fact most new military craft are tested in the desert.

With this knowledge in hand - why are there literally hundreds of recorded incidents in Ufology where the UFOs are detected in no fly zones, near military bases, picked up on commercial airline radar?
There's no reason I can think of that any country would test a new flying machine in such a way. Check out the 'Belgium black triangle mass sighting' for one example...

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How is it logical to jump...




It is assumed from several unexplainable abduction incidents that the occupants are not human. See pascagoula river incident, Travis Walton, Barney and Betty hill etc etc

It is also assumed that the technology required is too high for humans - radars have for years picked up UFOs performing maneuvers that would require materials and devices (propulsion, inertia cancelers etc) that we seem to be not even close to developing.


If you study all the evidence unbiasedly then it really does seem most likely that these craft are real and not of human origin.

Many famous skeptics started out non-believers but when they actually studied the phenomena as opposed to just watching a couple of TV shows they completely change their opinion (Hynek and Pope, for example). The evidence is vast, it is epic.

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Re: UFO's [Re: Ego Death]
    #7650281 - 11/18/07 08:45 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

There out there. (RNA)


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Re: UFO's [Re: Ego Death]
    #7650312 - 11/18/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Did you know fire is an illusion? It's not tangible, or substantial. It is void, and hollow of substance. Similar to a mirage. Some people see a body of water in the desert, but it is often just a reflection of the sky. And, you can't drink a mirage.

Some people had out of body experiencing, but science explains that that too, was just a play on perception. Like the light in a dream.

So then, what real evidence is there of extraterrestrial visitations, besides recordings, photo's, and eye witness accounts? After all, these are just illusions of light.


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Re: UFO's [Re: psyka]
    #7650318 - 11/18/07 09:07 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Did you know fire is an illusion? It's not tangible, or substantial. It is void, and hollow of substance.

In the same way air is. Remember Katrina?


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Re: UFO's [Re: Diploid]
    #7650323 - 11/18/07 09:10 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Katrina who?


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Re: UFO's [Re: psyka]
    #7650366 - 11/18/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

She blew me two years ago. :yesnod:


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Re: UFO's [Re: Diploid]
    #7650372 - 11/18/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

...touche.

I'll go ahead and play the "Got any videos, pictures, and physical evidence?" card.


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Re: UFO's [Re: psyka]
    #7650418 - 11/18/07 09:57 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

That logic can be used with everything - how do I know you exist? I can only assume that it appears you do.

Videos and pictures can not change your mind if its already made up?

Start researching it, I suggest watching 'Riddle of the skies' by channel 4. Also watch 'UFO the greatest story ever denied' it can be watched on google video.
Then read some of my old threads on the best abduction cases.

If you look, then the evidence is huge. The best physical evidence is probably radar evidence. There is no solid evidence though or else it would already be accepted as fact. Until we have aliens in a jar to study by the public scientists there will be no mass accepted proof.

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Re: UFO's [Re: psyka]
    #7650451 - 11/18/07 10:09 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: UFO's [Re: Ego Death]
    #7653385 - 11/19/07 02:15 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

read some of my old threads on the best abduction cases.

I disassembled, deconstructed, and debunked all your balony abduction cases two years ago here:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4702779#Post4702779

You have yet to address the points and questions I raised in that post, but you still insist there are no inconsistencies or outright deceptions in any of those stories.

An open mind would resolve those issues or accept that they seriously undermine the credibility of those stories.


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Re: UFO's [Re: Diploid]
    #7653400 - 11/19/07 02:25 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Actually I answer all your points and questions; as I do everybody that questions me about this subject.

But the opposition always resorts to either ad hom , calling me a liar or completely disregards my points.

If you want to try debunking again then I'm game! Lets start with the Pascagoula river incident?

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Re: UFO's [Re: Ego Death]
    #7653410 - 11/19/07 02:36 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Ego Death,

Chupacabra's are real, too: http://chupacabrablog.org/?cat=3

You should dedicate some of your precious time researching chupacabras.

Theres even a video featuring both a UFO, AND a chupacabra!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JN5YPsEelE


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Re: UFO's [Re: psyka]
    #7653423 - 11/19/07 02:50 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

My time was dedicated to UFO research because me and 2 other people saw a large silver saucer with stange lights all over it land in a field behind my friends house. We were stood about 40 foot away from it.

I wanted to know what it was - so I've spent years ever since investigating the phenomena. I have concluded that these things are physically real and I also think its likely that they are not man-made.

I'm not partularly interrested in research other phenomena's. I research what I see around me. If I see one of those things then I probably will look into it.

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Re: UFO's [Re: Ego Death]
    #7653447 - 11/19/07 03:16 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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But the opposition always resorts to either ad hom , calling me a liar or completely disregards my points.




Always, eh? If I find even one post where this is not true (and there are many), that would make you a _ _ _ _.

Someone trying to understand how you come to your conclusions is 'the opposition'? Persecution complex?


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Re: UFO's [Re: Ego Death]
    #7653450 - 11/19/07 03:18 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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We were stood about 40 foot away from it.




Stood by whom?


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Re: UFO's [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7653558 - 11/19/07 05:34 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Um, maybe because THOUSANDS of people all over the world claimed to have seen 3 foot tall humanoids in gray suits walk out of them?




Armani with pin stripes. :thumbup:

Um, how about the ten thousand people who claimed the Phoenix Lights were:

1. Directly overhead. (Video analysis showed they were many miles east of the observers.

2. The object was enormous and solid - a mothership! (Nope. Once again analysis showed them to be a cluster of military flares hundreds of yards aparts from each other.

And on and on the misidentification goes. :rolleyes:


The damn flares were an obvious cover up and when you watch the video you cant honestly tell me you believe that those could be flares...


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Re: UFO's [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #7653815 - 11/19/07 08:15 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

the cynical act/role is raised to political and spiritual veracity -
as if the monkey pack will follow the most charismatic leader
- as if the debunking logic were impeccably charismatic.
as if it even mattered what the monkey pack did.

In this thread I can see some clear expressions related to personal experiences that are being trounced by muscle headed debunking.
I don't see that the people who had unusual experiences are looking for a following.
It is ok to read what they write. it does not poison our minds.

is debunking a preferred kind of bullying that is specially sanctioned? some issues are very clearly not related to "chupacabra" class information. should every comment be treated as if it has chupacabras?

this forum permits critical comment, but it also permits idea expressions.
I would like to read more personal experiences with unusual phenomena, that are not chupacabra class heresay or legends.
I hope the writers of these comments will keep posting and won't feel bullied.


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Re: UFO's [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #7653904 - 11/19/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

The damn flares were an obvious cover up and when you watch the video you cant honestly tell me you believe that those could be flares...

The lights all vanished directly in-line with the mountain range between Phoenix and the air force base. In the dark against a dark sky, the outline of the mountains could not be seen, so the lights appeared to simply vanish. Superimposing an outline of the mountain range on the videos confirms this: the Phoenix Lights were flares that vanished from sight when they dropped behind the invisible outline of the mountain range. That means the lights were on the far side of the mountain range, over the air force base.

Why is that so hard for UFO Heads to accept? I'll tell you why: because they've invested a lot of time and emotional energy believing UFOs are alien ships, and when people become attached to an idea, often no amount of evidence undermining that idea will change their mind.

See George Bush and the failed war in Iraq for reference.


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Re: UFO's [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7654395 - 11/19/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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is debunking a preferred kind of bullying that is specially sanctioned?




It appears so.

I've raised my point so many times to you Orogone and Diploid, that I can't even be bothered anymore. Its like banging ones head against a brick wall.

Accept this brick wall jumps around shouting "I debunked you" for years to come afterwards.

You've never debunked me. Lol. I answer any points you raise and then you don't accept them. If thats debunking - then all hail ignorance.

If you have any specific questions then ask me them. Otherwise don't bother going on about how you debunked me years ago when nothing has been proven either way in any of the incidents I bring up.

All I do is present the evidence and with the weight of whats there, it appears clearly likely that theres more to this huge phenomena than just a few delusioned people. If you cannot accept it, then don't. Just try and stay open-minded instead of going round shouting "I debunked you" thats just lame.

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Re: UFO's [Re: Diploid]
    #7654952 - 11/19/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Taking the time to research an event and explaining it using facts available to anyone who chooses to look is now considered 'bullying' and 10,000 witnesses in error is 'a few'.

Welcome to the land of double-speak.


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