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Datura: Everyone should read... *DELETED*
    #7643303 - 11/16/07 08:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: tjshokk46]
    #7643323 - 11/16/07 08:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

nice first post dude welcome to the shroomery.

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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: pong]
    #7643335 - 11/16/07 08:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thx :smile:. I stumbled upon this site noticing all of the posts about datura.... What an interesting plant it is. :smile:

Time to work on my profile I suppose.

I will probably have some random babbling thoughts and instructions on unusal ayahausca preparations and DMT next time I post.


EDIT: *Grins* I love this site, think I'll stick around


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: tjshokk46]
    #7643382 - 11/16/07 09:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks. You have convinced me even more that pot is for me.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7643390 - 11/16/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Visionary Tools said:
Thanks. You have convinced me even more that pot is for me.




Datura :nut:


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: tjshokk46]
    #7779954 - 12/19/07 11:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

gday
id just finished slaving out a post on datura,'moonflower' trying to find out wtf it was actually about, as i just couldnt find anyone or anything that related even a relatively close experience to mine, hence i wasnt sure of any info i could find. now i have something to go on....
and now i wonder about the methods used for taking the stuff... i noticed many warning notices about how you take datura. i discovered datura as a long white bell-shaped flower and always done the same thing: boil around ten(i should think never go higher than this) flowers in a large pot of water for(i do a few hours) as long as you like, its just more or less potent. now 500ml(for consistency try a oouple cones, No More or you Will Be Semi Paralyzed with Jelly Legs And Almost Without Audible Speech) will fuck you. exp. reminds me how valued a likeminded companion is. lasts several hours, Dont Go To Sleep - Risky.
yeah datura is a fucked drug but drinking its tea has given me(assumably) as much potency as one normally would care for and has never put me in an actual dangerous situation, ive been able to use it privately a couple times.
wouldnt mind some flashback stories if theres any to share


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: flipa]
    #7779986 - 12/19/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Which plant is the shrub with trumpets and spiky nuts? I know where one of those are but I've never wanted to try datura except smoke a tiny amount with some weed.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7800318 - 12/26/07 08:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that's datura...
anyone tried smoking trumpet flowers when dried??
one or two in a joint work awsome for me


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: mescalinaz]
    #7800325 - 12/26/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

excellent post btw...
added to my favorites for future reference :wink:


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: mescalinaz]
    #7800354 - 12/26/07 08:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

One of the worst experiences of my life was when a friend and I made a decoction of belladonna and drank shots of it. Within an hour we are paralyzed. We had just managed to lay down in an alley where we were barely able to groan for eight hours until as the sun rose we used force of will to get up because we didn't want to get busted. It taught me that some drugs are really really not fun, nor spiritual.

This is the truth. If you have gone beyond the societal norm of understanding through drug use you will be deemed insane and put away.

Take that one to heart.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: tjshokk46]
    #7800380 - 12/26/07 08:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

dude, alcocol makes your veins expand as well, that's why you're not suppose to drink while youre cold.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: GammaGobbler]
    #7806957 - 12/28/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, that's nice to know. I suppose then it could simply be that being half-drunk helps mask the side effects :smile:


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: tjshokk46]
    #7830676 - 01/04/08 03:47 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

A friend and I made a tincture out of some datura seeds and poured it into our History teachers eyedrops; which he kept in his desk drawer. It wasn't a potent mix, just strong enough to dilate his pupils for about a week. Ah..the magnificent 90's...


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: tjshokk46]
    #7830718 - 01/04/08 04:35 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

great post


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: wasting_space]
    #7830719 - 01/04/08 04:36 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

i did datura alot. i enjoyed the low dose trips till i started getting a feeling of my brain being on fire every time i smoked it.

all in all though datura has SO MANY negative side effects, and with the potential of their always being an overdose and so on.

its just not worth it guys, don't let this post sway you.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: truekimbo2]
    #8905687 - 09/10/08 06:40 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I have tons of Datura growing & have for years. Only recently found out about ppl using it for anything other than ornamental purposes. I dried some leaves yesterday & smoked them last night with some weed. I noticed I was higher, more lethargic & I had these rice crispy sounds & feelings in my brain. I slept real good though. For those of you who do not know my avatar is a Datura


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: irishbrandywine]
    #8906032 - 09/10/08 08:49 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Welcome to the Shroomery.

I like your post, and I'm no authority dictating what people should or shouldn't use, but I can't recommend substances containing anticholinergic alkaloids. The reports are entertaining, the plants are beautiful, and the effects of the drug seem very interesting, but Datura and friends go on my list of interesting-but-not-worth-it substances, alongside PCP, some RCs and (to a lesser extent) benzos.

I know Datura (and PCP, and etc) have a bad rep, have benefits, and may be used responsibly by some, but I'm not convinced that they are healthy in the long run. It doesn't mean I wouldn't try them, but they aren't something I seek or feel excited about. If I ever try them, I would make sure of the purity, dose, short/long term effects, etc, and have a sober sitter or two. Precautions that most people trying any substance will likely not take.

Non-psychedelics, especially those that cause amnesia, just aren't worth it IMO. They are more entertaining than educational, and are risky for you and people around you. Though they can be philosophical and give you an insight on how the/your brain works, I see them as being more fuck-me-up than anything else.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: Quake3]
    #8906044 - 09/10/08 08:56 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

DON'T DO DATURA!

It's not fun. It's not enlightening. It's hell for your friends to have to deal with for the day/night.


The night we discovered a datura plant was a bad night. Ended with one in jail, another hospitalized and 10 of my friends mind fucked for days.


I urge caution when approaching this chemical.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: mushroomtip]
    #8906647 - 09/10/08 11:56 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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DON'T DO DATURA!

It's not fun. It's not enlightening. It's hell for your friends to have to deal with for the day/night.


The night we discovered a datura plant was a bad night. Ended with one in jail, another hospitalized and 10 of my friends mind fucked for days.


I urge caution when approaching this chemical.




The point of this thread is exactly that, to tell people they can have a pleasant trip on datura if you have the proper set-up and go with a very low dose. I guess it wasn't your case.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: SmellyMushroom]
    #8907421 - 09/10/08 02:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

SmellyMushroom said:
Quote:

mushroomtip said:
DON'T DO DATURA!

It's not fun. It's not enlightening. It's hell for your friends to have to deal with for the day/night.


The night we discovered a datura plant was a bad night. Ended with one in jail, another hospitalized and 10 of my friends mind fucked for days.


I urge caution when approaching this chemical.




The point of this thread is exactly that, to tell people they can have a pleasant trip on datura if you have the proper set-up and go with a very low dose. I guess it wasn't your case.



qft
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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: SmellyMushroom]
    #8907435 - 09/10/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Finally. Someone that GETS datura,... :smile:

also, some more curandero uses: (from http://www.crystallotus.com/Herbs/012.htm )

Curative Properties


The dried leaves and seeds of datum are used as antispasmodic under critical conditions of asthma and whooping cough. Datum possesses properties analogous to those of belladonna. It counteracts spasmodic disorders and induces deep sleep.

Asthma Datum is very useful in asthma, when the smoke from the burning leaves is inhaled. The leaves rolled into cigarettes can be smoked to relieve asthmatic attacks.




A valuable remedy for heart disorders.
It relieves cardiac pains, distress, palpitation and aortic disorders.


Baldness Datura seeds with other ingredients is useful in patchy baldness. A paste made with datura seeds, liquorice, saffron and cream is heated in coconut oil thoroughly till the solid mass converts to a charred powder. The oil when applied on bald patches stimulates hair growth. As datura is poisonous, hands should be washed thoroughly after handling the oil. Do not use the mixture on the scalp of children.

Malaria Datura fruit is a specific remedy for phlegmatic and bilious types of malarial fever. A desired quantity of the fruit should be placed in an earthen pot and covered with a plaster composed of cloth and clay. It should be parched in 10 to 12 grams of cowdung cakes. When the fire gets extinguished and the pot is cold, the burnt fruit should removed, powdered and kept safely in a phial for use in malarial fever.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: Quake3]
    #8907445 - 09/10/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Non-psychedelics, especially those that cause amnesia, just aren't worth it IMO. They are more entertaining than educational, and are risky for you and people around you.




If anything, Datura is more educational than entertaining.  Deliriants are the hard-hitters of the entheogen game--with an incredibly heavy load on your body and mind, don't play around with these lightly.

If you do decide to delve into the depths of delirium, though, one can achieve powerful things.  Walking the astral plane in a physical body, calling up the spirits of one's dead ancestors, divination--almost any "magical" power is possible when one blends the subconscious dreamtime with waking reality.  Just look up Toe, which is the entheogenic use of Brugmansia in South America.

The thing is, the experience is so overwhelmingly powerful compared to psychedelics that most people cannot handle it or take way too much, provoking a toxic response.  Toe aficionadios take the plant only once or twice in their entire lifetime--and this is after countless hundreds of harsh ayahuasca trips to prepare their mind for the journey.

Tread lightly in the shark-infested waters of your subconscious ocean.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: deCypher]
    #8907923 - 09/10/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

*shrugs*

why the f kids feel like anticholinergics are "enlightening" is beyond me. doesn't matter if you chew 5 seeds or 50, you're still blocking acetylcholine transmission (intensity will differ, obviously). might as well down a few benedryl, the effect is identical. hell, why not just snort a line of BZ, then shoot up IV DMT.. bam, you'll be an instant shaman :rolleyes:

an anticholinergic is an anticholinergic is an anticholinergic (some are muscarinic, others are nicotinic)...doesn't matter if you get it from a jimsonweed thornapple  in the front yard, or aunt maggie's medicine cabinet.

yeah, stick to pot..it's safer, and probably does more to potentiate these things than datura


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: piracetam]
    #8907949 - 09/10/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Your point being?  A serotonergic is a serotonergic is a serotonergic--deliriants are as perfectly a valid an entheogen as a psychedelic.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: deCypher]
    #8908043 - 09/10/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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The Cypher said:deliriants are as perfectly a valid an entheogen as a psychedelic.




by that logic, chloroform and ether vapors are entheogenic.





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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: piracetam]
    #8908069 - 09/10/08 04:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Hardly.  Chloroform and ether vapors have no thousand-year history of usage, along with a ritualistic set and setting guided by others who have gone through the process before.  Deliriants such as Brugmansia and other anticholinergics have.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: deCypher]
    #8908119 - 09/10/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

so you suggest that these anticholinergic deleriants (datura, which I've had a few bouts with in a wide variaty of states including amnesic doses) have much to teach?
a high dose of benztropine mesylate was similar in effect to ~150 datura seeds.I learned one lesson...don't fuck with them anymore.
never saw any dead relatives, or spoke to any spirits. but from my understanding, you may create that vision in your own superstitious subconscious mind, like religious people in psychedelic states like to believe they talked to jesus/god.

I've read anecdotal reports of combining tropanes with ayahuasca, but the jury is undecided on its efficacy; analogous to cacao potentiating p. mexicana experiences


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: piracetam]
    #8908143 - 09/10/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It's irrelevant whether or not they're actually your dead relatives or spirits--the point is that Datura and other deliriants allow you to talk with a manifestation of personality (be it derived from your subconscious, as I think is most likely, or derived from other forces, as some people believe.)

I personally quite enjoy low-doses of Datura before sleep.  The lucid dreaming landscapes that it can open up are truly fascinating, and allow me to have a further understanding into my subconscious.  Amnesiac doses, where you can't remember anything of your trip, are a clear sign that you're overdoing it and stepping into toxicity levels.

Too frequent use of anticholinergics can have negative effects on memory and cognition, sure.  (Similar to how use of cholinergics and nootropic smart drugs can improve learning and retainining of information.)  But when done in moderation, and with low doses, I've found myself more at peace with myself than ever after my Datura usage.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8908168 - 09/10/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i think its datura awareness month


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: thedudenj]
    #8908717 - 09/10/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I did it b/c I was low on weed & have had no successful hunts. Besides I will try just about anything at least one time. Besides it was there asking me to indulge. The amnesia part I read a few posts back will be filed in my permanent vacation file ! If all else fails I say go with  amnesia. I only dried one small leaf & mixed it with enough smoke for one bowl. My lips felt very cold & tingly too. It had a sweet after taste like sugar. I love my weed but dear God it makes for some funky breath.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: tjshokk46]
    #9398412 - 12/09/08 10:15 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Great datura post. Very informative, someone should sticky this.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: tjshokk46]
    #9757754 - 02/07/09 10:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

This is a great thread. Thanks a lot! Noted for future reference too ..


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: mutant]
    #9765402 - 02/09/09 11:45 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Very good thread :thumbup:


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: Abuse]
    #10203647 - 04/20/09 07:55 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Abuse, and the others, thanks for your support heh :smile:. Thanks to everyone really, whether the input was good or bad.. We're all entitled to our opinions. I was just looking around shroomery and figured I'd let ya folks know I'm alive, like anyone cares lol.

Aside from the hate/love responses this post seemed to draw so far, I'm curious what if any experiences you folks have had with datura or alike ...? Honestly, it's been a while for me...
I've said datura can be dangerous and this holds 100% true where I live... The road is at my doorstep, my new neighbors are nosy, random police rolling around, etc.. It looks as though it may be a while before I get to "journey to the shadow world" as I call it.. (If anyone's experienced the darkness this plant can show you, you'll understand.)... It seems I'll have to wait til I move back to the country :frown:.

After reviewing the ups and downs of this post, I'm debating on dubbing an "Everyone Should Read" series lol... The next would be DMT: Everyone Should Read... It'd contain information concerning all of the questions I see across the net and the shroomery... general experience gathered from multiple sources including my own dreams ... methods .. and so on.. Of course, anything in it would be only theories, swim, etc, blah blah blah. You know the deal.

It's really up to you guys... Believe it or not, I put alot of thought into what I type.. This datura post took a considerable amount of time considering what little can really be said about datura. DMT or alike, I could spend a few days straight typing up a decent, informative, and neat post and, time is not something I have alot of right now... From my previous daily wandering of the shroomery boards, I've gone to maybe once a month :| .. busy busy... I'm leaving it to the readers of this post to decide though. If you're for it, cool.. If against, please tell me why...

Peace folks!! Keep trippin trippy trips :P (hadda say something stupid before I left)


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: tjshokk46]
    #10203904 - 04/20/09 08:49 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

A really interesting read! I've been interested in datura since i learned it grows quite a lot in my area. After reading about it, and hearing experiences with it from the people around me, it didn't sound like such a good idea anymore, but i still have this "curiosity" for it. Might even try it some time.

What I'm interested in right now is the effects of smoking it. If one was to dry some datura (the flower?) and mix it with some weed, what kind of effects would it give to the weed high? Is there any danger at such small dose being smoked?


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #10204023 - 04/20/09 09:07 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

lady datura scared the shit outta me......didn't respect her at first, i underestimated her power and took too much!...:highasfuck:.....now i understand! she taught me.....:hippie:


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: Zigmat]
    #10233744 - 04/25/09 10:08 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I'm glad you asked about smoking it ... I just realized I mentioned nothing on this subject..

From MY experience and, don't hold me to this, smoking datura has done nothing for me...
This applies to home grown and purchased..

All others discluding belladonna, I have not smoked..

In my one experience smoking a belladonna joint...
Out of fear, I took small hits and held them in.
After finishing about 3/4 the joint, I gave up and, I'm glad I did.

About 20-30 minutes later MAYBE (it's been a while), I started experiencing alot of the negative side-effects that are normally coupled with oral belladonna/datura/etc..

Personally, I think if you're looking to get high and not experience a tropane trip, you should stick to weed or beer.. There's really nothing good that comes out of smoking a plant containing tropane alkaloids..

Again, this is just my experience.


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #10233750 - 04/25/09 10:09 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

That's most often how it goes and, that's a point I attempted to stress to people heh :smile:... Be careful and knowledgable if you decide to partake in this plant.

I'm happy to see you're alive.. How was your experience?


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    #10234323 - 04/26/09 12:32 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

If it's legal that ought to tell you something because they only make the good stuff illegal.


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    #11986078 - 02/08/10 03:14 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I have only some experience with smoking leaf material, mostly home grown Hyoscyamus [albus, niger], but also wild local Datura [stramonium] and Belladona once.

Relative differences are small, but I think they are obvious. Hyoscyamus is more sedative in nature than Datura, f.e.

Smoking leaves can be combined with green and alcohol or both. Taste is fine, it's actually good for asthma!

It can act as a stimulant, sedative, can combine with aforementioned substances altering or enhancing the experience. It can be also euphoric, even alone.

Many reports of it used in dream-o-nautics or before sleep, and there are reports of Hyoscyamus having been used as opium substitute.

Datura can be utilised, it can be used safely, it can be helpful. Even though I have not a delirium-range experience, I am sure it can be 'beneficial', 'useful' etc, but yeah this is really dangerous.

Datura is not for everyone. Psychs are not for anyone.Actually, nothing is for anyone...

I understand that there are countless idiots and 15year olds in this forum which might want to 'work' with datura just because they are convinced that some guy in some place of earth has worked with it and says it can be helpful even fun.

DO NOT, I repear, DO NOT think like that! Know yourselves, know your needs, have goals.

More over, I sense that tropane plants can influence a man with psychotic tendencies or predisposition


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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: mutant]
    #11986112 - 02/08/10 03:32 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Datura intrigued me when I started reading about it.
It could be very spiritual.
It still seems highly, highly dangerous though.


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