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513orangejuice
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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: SmellyMushroom]
#8907435 - 09/10/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Finally. Someone that GETS datura,... 
also, some more curandero uses: (from http://www.crystallotus.com/Herbs/012.htm )
Curative Properties
The dried leaves and seeds of datum are used as antispasmodic under critical conditions of asthma and whooping cough. Datum possesses properties analogous to those of belladonna. It counteracts spasmodic disorders and induces deep sleep.
Asthma Datum is very useful in asthma, when the smoke from the burning leaves is inhaled. The leaves rolled into cigarettes can be smoked to relieve asthmatic attacks.
A valuable remedy for heart disorders. It relieves cardiac pains, distress, palpitation and aortic disorders.
Baldness Datura seeds with other ingredients is useful in patchy baldness. A paste made with datura seeds, liquorice, saffron and cream is heated in coconut oil thoroughly till the solid mass converts to a charred powder. The oil when applied on bald patches stimulates hair growth. As datura is poisonous, hands should be washed thoroughly after handling the oil. Do not use the mixture on the scalp of children.
Malaria Datura fruit is a specific remedy for phlegmatic and bilious types of malarial fever. A desired quantity of the fruit should be placed in an earthen pot and covered with a plaster composed of cloth and clay. It should be parched in 10 to 12 grams of cowdung cakes. When the fire gets extinguished and the pot is cold, the burnt fruit should removed, powdered and kept safely in a phial for use in malarial fever.
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deCypher



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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: Quake3]
#8907445 - 09/10/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quake3 said: Non-psychedelics, especially those that cause amnesia, just aren't worth it IMO. They are more entertaining than educational, and are risky for you and people around you.
If anything, Datura is more educational than entertaining. Deliriants are the hard-hitters of the entheogen game--with an incredibly heavy load on your body and mind, don't play around with these lightly.
If you do decide to delve into the depths of delirium, though, one can achieve powerful things. Walking the astral plane in a physical body, calling up the spirits of one's dead ancestors, divination--almost any "magical" power is possible when one blends the subconscious dreamtime with waking reality. Just look up Toe, which is the entheogenic use of Brugmansia in South America.
The thing is, the experience is so overwhelmingly powerful compared to psychedelics that most people cannot handle it or take way too much, provoking a toxic response. Toe aficionadios take the plant only once or twice in their entire lifetime--and this is after countless hundreds of harsh ayahuasca trips to prepare their mind for the journey.
Tread lightly in the shark-infested waters of your subconscious ocean.
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piracetam
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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: deCypher]
#8907923 - 09/10/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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*shrugs*
why the f kids feel like anticholinergics are "enlightening" is beyond me. doesn't matter if you chew 5 seeds or 50, you're still blocking acetylcholine transmission (intensity will differ, obviously). might as well down a few benedryl, the effect is identical. hell, why not just snort a line of BZ, then shoot up IV DMT.. bam, you'll be an instant shaman 
an anticholinergic is an anticholinergic is an anticholinergic (some are muscarinic, others are nicotinic)...doesn't matter if you get it from a jimsonweed thornapple in the front yard, or aunt maggie's medicine cabinet.
yeah, stick to pot..it's safer, and probably does more to potentiate these things than datura
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deCypher



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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: piracetam]
#8907949 - 09/10/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your point being? A serotonergic is a serotonergic is a serotonergic--deliriants are as perfectly a valid an entheogen as a psychedelic.
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piracetam
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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: deCypher]
#8908043 - 09/10/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Cypher said:deliriants are as perfectly a valid an entheogen as a psychedelic.
by that logic, chloroform and ether vapors are entheogenic.
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Edited by piracetam (09/10/08 04:50 PM)
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deCypher



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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: piracetam]
#8908069 - 09/10/08 04:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hardly. Chloroform and ether vapors have no thousand-year history of usage, along with a ritualistic set and setting guided by others who have gone through the process before. Deliriants such as Brugmansia and other anticholinergics have.
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piracetam
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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: deCypher]
#8908119 - 09/10/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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so you suggest that these anticholinergic deleriants (datura, which I've had a few bouts with in a wide variaty of states including amnesic doses) have much to teach? a high dose of benztropine mesylate was similar in effect to ~150 datura seeds.I learned one lesson...don't fuck with them anymore. never saw any dead relatives, or spoke to any spirits. but from my understanding, you may create that vision in your own superstitious subconscious mind, like religious people in psychedelic states like to believe they talked to jesus/god.
I've read anecdotal reports of combining tropanes with ayahuasca, but the jury is undecided on its efficacy; analogous to cacao potentiating p. mexicana experiences
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deCypher



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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: piracetam]
#8908143 - 09/10/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's irrelevant whether or not they're actually your dead relatives or spirits--the point is that Datura and other deliriants allow you to talk with a manifestation of personality (be it derived from your subconscious, as I think is most likely, or derived from other forces, as some people believe.)
I personally quite enjoy low-doses of Datura before sleep. The lucid dreaming landscapes that it can open up are truly fascinating, and allow me to have a further understanding into my subconscious. Amnesiac doses, where you can't remember anything of your trip, are a clear sign that you're overdoing it and stepping into toxicity levels.
Too frequent use of anticholinergics can have negative effects on memory and cognition, sure. (Similar to how use of cholinergics and nootropic smart drugs can improve learning and retainining of information.) But when done in moderation, and with low doses, I've found myself more at peace with myself than ever after my Datura usage.
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Edited by deCypher (09/10/08 05:45 PM)
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thedudenj
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i think its datura awareness month
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irishbrandywine
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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: thedudenj]
#8908717 - 09/10/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did it b/c I was low on weed & have had no successful hunts. Besides I will try just about anything at least one time. Besides it was there asking me to indulge. The amnesia part I read a few posts back will be filed in my permanent vacation file ! If all else fails I say go with amnesia. I only dried one small leaf & mixed it with enough smoke for one bowl. My lips felt very cold & tingly too. It had a sweet after taste like sugar. I love my weed but dear God it makes for some funky breath.
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Jawofmalak
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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: tjshokk46]
#9398412 - 12/09/08 10:15 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Great datura post. Very informative, someone should sticky this.
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mutant
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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: tjshokk46]
#9757754 - 02/07/09 10:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is a great thread. Thanks a lot! Noted for future reference too ..
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Abuse
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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: mutant]
#9765402 - 02/09/09 11:45 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Very good thread
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tjshokk46
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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: Abuse]
#10203647 - 04/20/09 07:55 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Abuse, and the others, thanks for your support heh . Thanks to everyone really, whether the input was good or bad.. We're all entitled to our opinions. I was just looking around shroomery and figured I'd let ya folks know I'm alive, like anyone cares lol.
Aside from the hate/love responses this post seemed to draw so far, I'm curious what if any experiences you folks have had with datura or alike ...? Honestly, it's been a while for me... I've said datura can be dangerous and this holds 100% true where I live... The road is at my doorstep, my new neighbors are nosy, random police rolling around, etc.. It looks as though it may be a while before I get to "journey to the shadow world" as I call it.. (If anyone's experienced the darkness this plant can show you, you'll understand.)... It seems I'll have to wait til I move back to the country .
After reviewing the ups and downs of this post, I'm debating on dubbing an "Everyone Should Read" series lol... The next would be DMT: Everyone Should Read... It'd contain information concerning all of the questions I see across the net and the shroomery... general experience gathered from multiple sources including my own dreams ... methods .. and so on.. Of course, anything in it would be only theories, swim, etc, blah blah blah. You know the deal.
It's really up to you guys... Believe it or not, I put alot of thought into what I type.. This datura post took a considerable amount of time considering what little can really be said about datura. DMT or alike, I could spend a few days straight typing up a decent, informative, and neat post and, time is not something I have alot of right now... From my previous daily wandering of the shroomery boards, I've gone to maybe once a month :| .. busy busy... I'm leaving it to the readers of this post to decide though. If you're for it, cool.. If against, please tell me why...
Peace folks!! Keep trippin trippy trips :P (hadda say something stupid before I left)
Edited by tjshokk46 (04/20/09 07:57 PM)
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Zigmat
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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: tjshokk46]
#10203904 - 04/20/09 08:49 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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A really interesting read! I've been interested in datura since i learned it grows quite a lot in my area. After reading about it, and hearing experiences with it from the people around me, it didn't sound like such a good idea anymore, but i still have this "curiosity" for it. Might even try it some time.
What I'm interested in right now is the effects of smoking it. If one was to dry some datura (the flower?) and mix it with some weed, what kind of effects would it give to the weed high? Is there any danger at such small dose being smoked?
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lady datura scared the shit outta me......didn't respect her at first, i underestimated her power and took too much!... .....now i understand! she taught me.....
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tjshokk46
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Re: Datura: Everyone should read... [Re: Zigmat]
#10233744 - 04/25/09 10:08 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm glad you asked about smoking it ... I just realized I mentioned nothing on this subject..
From MY experience and, don't hold me to this, smoking datura has done nothing for me... This applies to home grown and purchased..
All others discluding belladonna, I have not smoked..
In my one experience smoking a belladonna joint... Out of fear, I took small hits and held them in. After finishing about 3/4 the joint, I gave up and, I'm glad I did.
About 20-30 minutes later MAYBE (it's been a while), I started experiencing alot of the negative side-effects that are normally coupled with oral belladonna/datura/etc..
Personally, I think if you're looking to get high and not experience a tropane trip, you should stick to weed or beer.. There's really nothing good that comes out of smoking a plant containing tropane alkaloids..
Again, this is just my experience.
Edited by tjshokk46 (04/25/09 10:10 PM)
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tjshokk46
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That's most often how it goes and, that's a point I attempted to stress to people heh ... Be careful and knowledgable if you decide to partake in this plant.
I'm happy to see you're alive.. How was your experience?
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Quetzalcohuatl
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If it's legal that ought to tell you something because they only make the good stuff illegal.
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mutant
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I have only some experience with smoking leaf material, mostly home grown Hyoscyamus [albus, niger], but also wild local Datura [stramonium] and Belladona once.
Relative differences are small, but I think they are obvious. Hyoscyamus is more sedative in nature than Datura, f.e.
Smoking leaves can be combined with green and alcohol or both. Taste is fine, it's actually good for asthma!
It can act as a stimulant, sedative, can combine with aforementioned substances altering or enhancing the experience. It can be also euphoric, even alone.
Many reports of it used in dream-o-nautics or before sleep, and there are reports of Hyoscyamus having been used as opium substitute.
Datura can be utilised, it can be used safely, it can be helpful. Even though I have not a delirium-range experience, I am sure it can be 'beneficial', 'useful' etc, but yeah this is really dangerous.
Datura is not for everyone. Psychs are not for anyone.Actually, nothing is for anyone...
I understand that there are countless idiots and 15year olds in this forum which might want to 'work' with datura just because they are convinced that some guy in some place of earth has worked with it and says it can be helpful even fun.
DO NOT, I repear, DO NOT think like that! Know yourselves, know your needs, have goals.
More over, I sense that tropane plants can influence a man with psychotic tendencies or predisposition
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