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thestaypail
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Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study
#7643191 - 11/16/07 07:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hello everyone, I am a Masters student studying at Middlesex University in London, England. For my dissertation I am distributing a questionnaire to anyone who believes they have had a spiritual experience on psychedelic mushrooms.
Some of you may already know, but there have been two major experiments that have proven in particular situations psychedelic mushrooms can occasion a mystical experience similar to those reported by saints and mystics. One is most well known as “the Good Friday Experiment” by Walter Pahnke and the other was titled “Psilocybin can occasion mystical-type experiences having substantial and sustained personal meaning and spiritual significance” by Roland Griffiths.
It is fairly well known that the mind-set of the user and the environmental setting of the trip are two of the biggest factors in shaping a drug experience. The use of psychedelics in religious ritual settings such as peyote in the Native America Church and the use of ayahuasca by Uniao do Vegetal creates religious type experiences. However, not very much is known about the set and setting being utilized by regular people to achieve spiritual experiences on psychedelics.
This questionnaire will mainly ask about your mind-set going into the experience and the setting of the experience. I want to see if I can find any similarities of set and setting amongst those who have had a spiritual experience on shrooms. Since spiritual experiences of this nature are usually positive knowing such information would be beneficial in terms of harm reduction because it may help reduce the chances of having a bad trip.
I assure that anyone who chooses to take part in this study will remain anonymous. Your names and the name of this website will not be included in the paper. When I have finished the research anyone who wants a copy of the results may receive one. Also, if you decide to participate but then change your mind you may withdraw from this study at any time.
If you have had what you consider to be a spiritual experience on shrooms and are able to take part in this study or you have any questions please either pm me or email me at wzvickery@gmail.com. I will then send you a copy of the questionnaire which you may complete at any time. There are about 20-30 open ended questions and it should take about 30 minutes to complete. When you are finished with the questionnaire you may email it to me at the above address. Please try to return the questionnaire within about three weeks.
Thanks for reading and thanks in advance to anyone who is willing to participate.
Sincerely,
William
Edited by thestaypail (11/21/07 09:57 AM)
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: thestaypail]
#7643496 - 11/16/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: Icelander]
#7643773 - 11/16/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You know, I'm starting to believe that London is the only city in England.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: thestaypail]
#7643781 - 11/16/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i saw spirits to the extreme on mushrooms.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7643918 - 11/16/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I seen some swirley things on the carpet that started to resemby ghostly figures going round in circles.
scared the crap outa me. so I stopped looking at the carpet.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: thestaypail]
#7644118 - 11/16/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I once spoke to the ghost of baby jesus on shrooms
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: thestaypail]
#7644620 - 11/16/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Try PMing the questionnaire for copying and mailing back for those interested in replying, with intact anonymity. Send an abstract of your dissertation and the cover sheet signed off on by your dissertation committee. A university catalogue documenting those professors and contact numbers for them are also in order. Too much trouble? Rather compromise the anonymity of Shroomerites by requesting personal mail addresses? Then Icelander is right on target and your inquiry is malevolent. It doesn't appear legitimate to me either, btw.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#7644686 - 11/16/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: Rather compromise the anonymity of Shroomerites by requesting personal mail addresses? Then Icelander is right on target and your inquiry is malevolent. It doesn't appear legitimate to me either, btw.
Jeez, he just said to email him. There's no way to tie it to your shroomery account; nobody's anonymity is being compromised. Make a hotmail/gmail account if you want to participate. People admit to drug use here every day.
You really think this is some sting to bust some random people for eating mushrooms?
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: Robo]
#7644790 - 11/16/07 04:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's all very well and good but this guy wants a lot of specifics, like where you were, how much you took, who you were with, what mindset you were in, etc. Unfortunately I am a devout atheist so anything seemingly spiritual that I have experienced has not been taken too seriously by me. Good luck with your report though.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7645027 - 11/16/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Too harsh?  Too many paranoids in the world with their own agendas. Psilocybin studies may have opened in the US, but the Netherlands just made them illegal. All a researcher has to do is check archives here to see the number of spirituality-related Psilocybin posts. But a brand newbe inquiring about personal experiences just alarmed me somewhat. OK, maybe not a DEA fanatic, but I'm still too suspicious to participate due to the extroverted generic friendliness of the inquiry.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#7645066 - 11/16/07 05:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nah it just got to me that there's somebody who wants to document positive psychedelic experiences, they go to the Shroomery and all they got were sarcastic and rude responses.
-------------------- Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man. For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire. Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it. ~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#7645120 - 11/16/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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agreed. i would be happy to participate if you provide the information that MarkostheGnostic suggests: tell us about about your thesis, your thesis committee, etc. provide some more details. and why not just post your questionnaire so that we can copy the questions and answer them and then e-mail or pm them back to you? you might have more success. until then, good luck.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: thestaypail]
#7645432 - 11/16/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I ate approximately 3/4 of an eighth, so... probably about 2.75-3 grams of the strongest mushrooms I've had to date at a river, on a sandy beach.
At first, I didn't really know what was happening, but soon they hit me like a ton of bricks.
I laid down on the beach and looked up at the rocks, I could see giant faces looking down on me, and the water looked very strange. Soon I was overtaken and just closed my eyes. I had extreme CEV's, and it felt like being inside of a winamp visualization or something. I completely lost my sense of self, and felt like I had become one with the universe, I was trying to remember who I was and where I came from, but couldn't.
The universal conciousness that connects everyone was all I could feel, it was telling me that everything would be alright, and no matter what happens, EVER, things would work out. I felt like I had died.
When I started to come down, I realized I was crying. Not tears of sadness, just emotional overload.
That's basically all I can explain, but it's almost impossible to explain what I felt and saw during that trip, and my explanation doesn't do it justice.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#7645436 - 11/16/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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God damn it, I didn't read the first fucking post.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#7645448 - 11/16/07 07:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#7646525 - 11/17/07 01:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks to anyone who's interested. Sorry if this project came off in the wrong way. I assure everyone this is a legitimate study that will hopefully contribute to a PhD later. Even though I've never participated on this message board before I've often used this website as an information resource. It is very difficult to locate people who have a) had a spiritual-like experience on shrooms and b) who are willing to talk about it. So I thought that these message boards would be a good place to find such people since from researching previous posts it seems a ton of you have had what you might consider a spiritual experience and you might be willing to discuss it. I realize that what "spiritual" means is highly subjective, so I leave it up to your personal judgment. For anyone who'd like to know:
My Program Leader is Eleonore Kofman. She is also a member of the ethics committee at me university who gave me approval to proceed. Her phone number is +44 (0)20 8411 6022 and email is e.kofman@mdx.ac.uk. My Dissertation Leader is Mel Evans. His phone number +44 (0)20 8411 6334 and email is m.d.evans@mdx.ac.uk. If anyone is worried about whether this project is for real, feel free to contact either of these professors.
To anyone interested I can give a copy of my dissertation so far. It's kind of large at about 10,000 words. And I can also give a copy of my ethics approval signed by the above faculty members.
This is a qualitative study where interviews would normally be more appropriate. Since I do not have the time or the resources to meet with people I have decided to use a questionnaire instead. Of coarse during an interview the interviewee would not be anonymous to me. Personally I think mushrooms are a good thing and I have no interest in getting anyone in trouble for using them. It is more important that the participant remain anonymous to the university faculty and the general public.
If there is anyone who wants to participate yet doesn't want me to know their email address perhaps WhiskyClone's idea will work. Just quickly make an anonymous gmail or hotmail account which should only take a minute. I forgot about the pm function on these message boards so that seems like a good option too.
I hope this informatioin helps!
Thanks.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7646538 - 11/17/07 01:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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WhiskeyClone said: Nah it just got to me that there's somebody who wants to document positive psychedelic experiences, they go to the Shroomery and all they got were sarcastic and rude responses.
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Re: Some more information about my topic [Re: laughingbuddha]
#7646555 - 11/17/07 01:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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A little more about my thesis. My Masters is in Social Policy and Social Research. A large part of this paper is about drug education in America. The dominant theory behind drug education is abstinence only. The "just say no" slogan sums it up neatly. This is the general underpinning for DARE which is the most popular drug education program in the US. Virtually every study done on DARE has shown that it does not work. The vast majority of students who go through DARE eventually use drugs. There have also been many studies which have shown the reason conventional drug education isn't working is because the goal of abstinence's is too narrow and unrealistic.
I'm sure a lot of you know there is a huge drug reform movement taking place in America and it is largely centered around the concept of "harm reduction". Rather then trying to stop drugs and drug use we should assume that drugs are an inevitable part of society and we should instead reduce the harms associated with unhealthy forms of drug abuse.
Many of the proponents for harm reduction in drug education recommend giving honest science-based information about drugs rather then misinformation and scare tactics.
My study is focusing on harm reduction for psychedelic drug education. Perhaps the most important factors in shaping a psychedelic drug experience is set and setting. A review of the literature for psychedelic drug use shows that the majority of positive experience had on psychedelics are those of a religious and/or spiritual nature.
So basically, knowing the set and setting utilized for spiritual experiences on psychedelics will be beneficial in terms of harm reduction education because knowing and giving out such information might reduce the chances of negative psychological effects which are also very common from psychedelic drug use.
I'm focusing on mushrooms in particular because of the precedent that exist established by the two controlled experiments I mentioned in my first post proving that in certain sets and settings mushrooms can occasion a mystical experience.
And of coarse I'm inspired by personal experience since I have had a couple of what I would consider powerfully spiritual experiences on mushrooms. The reason I'm spiritual at all today is largely because of those previous experiences.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: thestaypail]
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: Yoschie99]
#7646888 - 11/17/07 07:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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what do you base your idea of a soul /or eternal self on?
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7646982 - 11/17/07 08:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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reading.. dream sequences.. trips like this one...
you want specifics?? this wouldn't be the thread to get into it in...
feel free to PM me or start a thread elsewhere for open line of communication.

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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7649286 - 11/17/07 10:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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1st you have to find Shroomerites who connect their spiritual experiences to something beyond the colourful roller-coaster in their brains.
Next you have to try to lend credence to anyone saying any experience is "spiritual" and good luck defining that.
Lastly, I'd say that any study that didn't document the info face-to-face (w/names are withheld by the interviewer) would never be taken seriously in the academic world. This is b/c the mental health and credibility of anonymous responders can be and is doubted on this site every day.
We shoot the bull all the time...male bravado is a big factor here as well. You'll also get a lot of redundancy as the experience is similar under the influence and all you gotta do really is read trip reports for that info.
If you advertised on a local electronic bulletin board (or even on a real campus one.. hee hee) you'd probably get live responders. Someone admitting they "did" mushrooms in the past can't be arrested for it and I doubt they'd waste police manpower following responders around to see if they do more.
Cultivators on the others hand...beware man, oh yeah.
Good luck with your study however it comes to be...
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: MyInnerChild]
#7649338 - 11/17/07 10:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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One time I was tripping really hard, I re-dosed, turned off my lights, and around an hour felt like breathing wasn't important. I was with the Godhead, lying down on my bed. Bliss, really.
At some point around 5 am, I came to hearing my bitch breaking glass containers in the kitchen because she'd been searching for "All Spice". I mean--the kitchen floor was like that movie in "Die Hard" where he doesn't have any shoes but he has to walk all over the broken glass anyway. That was awesome. Anyway, I told her the All Spice is kept on the lazy Susan because it's retarded to keep All Spice on your spice rack because it's right in front but you've got to be gay to use it enought to validiate that position.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: GnuBobo]
#7650381 - 11/18/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i think that will really help his study GnuBobo, i'm sure he will put that all spice bit right in the first few paragraphs
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: sleepy]
#7650384 - 11/18/07 09:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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but to the OP, take mushrooms and you will have plenty to write about, or more likely you will see its pointless to write about whats indescribable. mushrooms can take you to god, but you can't talk about it once you come down. you gotta see it for yourself.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: sleepy]
#7650386 - 11/18/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think a outside view on the matter (at least officially) is more adequate than presenting his own experience.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: thestaypail]
#7650398 - 11/18/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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thestaypail said: Hello everyone, I am a Masters student studying at Middlesex University in London, England. For my dissertation I am distributing a questionnaire to anyone who believes they have had a spiritual experience on psychedelic mushrooms.
Some of you amy already know, but there have been two major experiments that have proven in particular situations psychedelic mushrooms can occasion a mystical experience similar to those reported by saints and mystics. One is most well known as “the Good Friday Experiment” by Walter Pahnke and the other was titled “Psilocybin can occasion mystical-type experiences having substantial and sustained personal meaning and spiritual significance” by Roland Griffiths.
It is fairly well known that the mind-set of the user and the environmental setting of the trip are two of the biggest factors in shaping a drug experience. The use of psychedelics in religious ritual settings such as peyote in the Native America Church and the use of ayahuasca by Uniao do Vegetal creates religious type experiences. However, not very much is known about the set and setting being utilized by regular people to achieve spiritual experiences on psychedelics.
This questionnaire will mainly ask about your mind-set going into the experience and the setting of the experience. I want to see if I can find any similarities of set and setting amongst those who have had a spiritual experience on shrooms. Since spiritual experiences of this nature are usually positive knowing such information would be beneficial in terms of harm reduction because it may help reduce the chances of having a bad trip.
I assure that anyone who chooses to take part in this study will remain anonymous. Your names and the name of this website will not be included in the paper. When I have finished the research anyone who wants a copy of the results may receive one. Also, if you decide to participate but then change your mind you may withdraw from this study at any time.
If you have had what you consider to be a spiritual experience on shrooms and are able to take part in this study or you have any questions please either respond to this message, pm me, or email me at wzvickery@gmail.com. I will then send you a copy of the questionnaire which you may complete at any time. There are about 20-30 open ended questions and it should take about 30 minutes to complete. When you are finished with the questionnaire you may email it to me at the above address. Please try to return the questionnaire within about three weeks.
Thanks for reading and thanks in advance to anyone who is willing to participate.
Sincerely,
William
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: thestaypail]
#7650518 - 11/18/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry for the harshness, and thanks for your cooperation. I live like a 1st century Roman Christian in the catacombs of The Shroomery. I might wear a Shroomery t-shirt on the weekend, but at work I'm an exemplary substance abuse counselor who makes a strong argument for adolescents to leave sunstances (including psychedelics) alone...at least until they are minimally 18 years old and have sufficient maturity. I never advocate, I just get real with them. Later is better for them, never is unrealistic.
I've used psychedelics (Entheogens, Empathogens) for 30+ years, in diminishing frequency because there are diminishing expectations and clearly diminished returns (the most profound experiences have occurred in the past, but left the 'portal' open so that the Eternal informs me in the Present). I do not need them any more and continued use, other than in showing a newbe, just seems self-indulgent to me now.
Each 'occasion' manifests aspects of experience that have become established in various religious systems as doctrines. It is like identifying the colored threads in a colorful and complex tapestry: the 'getting off' or 'blowing up' stages manifest Kundalini arousal and Zen Kensho when taking Entheogens and Empathogens, respectively. High dose Entheogens can elicit moving visions of 'Pearly Gates' against the daylight sky or with eyes closed, the kaleidoscopic visions far exceed the most exquisite cathedral rose window in color and vibrancy and surpass in detail the most intricate of Tibetan Buddhist sand mandalas. The Samadhis have been available to me and I am convinced of a onetime experience of Asamprajnata Samadhi.
Ultimately, the Reality of "The Eternal Now," to quote theologian Paul Tillich's book title, the same focus of the book BE HERE NOW in the 1970s and of The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle in the 1990s has been the single-most important revelation of Ultimate Truth through the agency of a class of neurotransmitter-tuning substances. The brain, like a radio transmitter, can be tuned to Hyper High Frequencies allowing the 'carrier wave' of Consciousness itself to be brought to Consciousness, so-to-speak. In the words of yogi Hari Das Baba: "First there is a point. The point becomes sound. The sound becomes light."
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#7650768 - 11/18/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well said, Markos. 
I've never heard the term 'Empathogen'. Reading that word, I immediately thought MDMA, but then you connected it with the experience of Kensho, which is something I would associate with LSD if at all with any psychedelic compound. What is an empathogen?
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: sleepy]
#7650822 - 11/18/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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sleepy said: i think that will really help his study GnuBobo, i'm sure he will put that all spice bit right in the first few paragraphs
Shut the fuck up
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#7650914 - 11/18/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chill my friends and ...keep yer spices wherever you like...k?
As long as the best spices are kept away from the children...till they're like, 17-18 or so.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7651215 - 11/18/07 02:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is just an email, for all he knows someone could be lying and making up the whole thing. I doubt there is any risk behind it.
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Psilocin Dreams
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: MindGorilla]
#7654121 - 11/19/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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shit, nvm
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: Yoschie99]
#7657458 - 11/20/07 01:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yoschie99 said: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5241511/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
that's as spiritual as i think it'll ever get for me.
yos-
i wont be eating a half ounce of dried shrooms EVER.
but, one question,
u where saying, that people where with you during your trip. WHAT THEY SAY u where doin while u was going thru time in ur mind?
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: sleepy]
#7657467 - 11/20/07 01:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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sleepy said: but to the OP, take mushrooms and you will have plenty to write about, or more likely you will see its pointless to write about whats indescribable. mushrooms can take you to god, but you can't talk about it once you come down. you gotta see it for yourself.
you know, thats true, about not being able to explain it, i had a good good trip, but i kind of scared myself because my mind was going crazy. the first time, i went crazy literally in my mind, i thought i was going to be stuck like that forever and i insisted that the people in a mental house was the result of being on mushrooms and not being able to get out, it was VERY bad,
but the 2nd time was great because i understood it more and i was in a better environment.
the first time i was in a big room with all black walls and black and white floor. not good.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: sleepy]
#7657672 - 11/20/07 03:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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sleepy said: i think that will really help his study GnuBobo, i'm sure he will put that all spice bit right in the first few paragraphs
Shut your fucking hippie goddamn mouth. I think the original poster should take around a dried ounce of shroom tea, and right before he's coming up on them, smoke a couple hits of DMT.
What kind of gayness is this? Mushrooms and spirituality. That's fag central, primo.
Go finger-fuck your gf and make her come a few times and she may mention dopamine saturation.
Original poster--if you are in any way serious about your stated "thesis", you're going to have to go undercover for any credible first-hand evidence.
You're pretty fat and have a ponytail and goatee? Smoke cloves?
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: GnuBobo]
#7657814 - 11/20/07 04:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Would Uncle Jerry generalize like that man? y'know...summerize another human being up in pixles? Woah... lol
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: MyInnerChild]
#7657821 - 11/20/07 05:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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He just wants to feel self-important, like everyone else. Not getting enough attention is crippling.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: fireworks_god]
#7658947 - 11/20/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll give you some magical realism attention, sloppy_anus_god.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: GnuBobo]
#7659081 - 11/20/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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spiritual experiences 
when im tripping on high doses of mushrooms, trying to figure out if i need a shit or a haircut is as close to spirituality as i got...
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: fireworks_god]
#7661921 - 11/21/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: He just wants to feel self-important, like everyone else. Not getting enough attention is crippling.
Who's the "he" you're referring to here dear?
The guy who dissed me uncle? lol No biggie...
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: MyInnerChild]
#7664782 - 11/21/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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He's talking about the shroomeries poet laureate, GnuBobo.
He's jealous of Bobo's linguistic skills.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: FecalDildo]
#7665270 - 11/21/07 11:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's a higher power who spreads spores on the wind...and I'm grateful for that this Thanksgiving! Oh..Cumberland Blues coming up on the Window's Media Player playlist...nice..  P.S. P.&S. is oft times a glorified ...um...3 letters we're not allowed to compare this to...
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: MyInnerChild]
#7680508 - 11/26/07 03:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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wow...these responces in here are just ridicules.
Original Poster: Welcome! As you can see, your going to need to filter through a lot of pointless posts, but I can tell you there are some awesome members/lots of knowledge to be found here.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: Toddo]
#7683430 - 11/26/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Happiness in life is determined by how close one lives to the moment one is in. During death, one lives beyond the moment- allowing them to realize their own death and the fact that they are now in the afterlife- a life without time- forever in the infinately expanding moment.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: nolongerinuse]
#7683642 - 11/26/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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new2grow said: Happiness in life is determined by how close one lives to the moment one is in. During death, one lives beyond the moment- allowing them to realize their own death and the fact that they are now in the afterlife- a life without time- forever in the infinately expanding moment.
Without reading them yet, I wonder why you have so little psilocybin in your ratings list..in light of the fact that I feel the words you typed here took the words out of my virtual mouth... in other words...I agree.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7683919 - 11/26/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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when i was tripping there was another reality that we could not see without shrooms, and shrooms were the key to unlocking this world of no fear. "THEY HAVE NO NAMES THEY JUST ARE", is what i said to my friends when they asked me who am i talking to. but ever since my perspective on life has changed dramatically and i believe everyone should trip at least once a year to open their eyes to what life is really about and understand why were here just a little bit more.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: thestaypail]
#7686980 - 11/27/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had a spiritual experience from beer one time. After going to bed drunk, a couple hours later I suddenly appeared in my living room, looked down to see my body was practically invisible and realized it was another out of the body experience like the ones I've been having for the last 30 years. I decided to walk back up stairs to my physical body in bed when I got the feeling someone was following me and turned around real quick to just catch the sight of what looked like another astral body or ghost slipping behind the corner and into my kitchen. For some reason I got mad and started chasing it. When I went into the kitchen, I saw it on the other side of the room looking at me with a look of fear on its face. I could make out some sort of human-like form with two holes in its head for eyes. I tried going around the other side into the dining room to see if I could catch it, but then woke up in my physical body in bed. I thought about that experience for a while and realized that I had the ability to scare ghosts. Usually people think they should be afraid of ghosts. Maybe it was a guardian spirit. I don't know. Experiences like that made me decide to avoid having out of the body experiences now. One experience really scared me when I woke up in the middle of the night and saw a glowing orange red head of a bald man a couple inches away from me. I felt around at the head, apparently with the hands of my astral body, and even put my fingers in its mouth and felt its teeth. After I woke up completely, I was scared, turned the lights on and tried to stay awake for awhile hoping it left.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7691183 - 11/28/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah, some of you are waaay too paranoid.
sorry bro, i've never had any spiritual experiences. i've only gotten fucked up.
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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: Wiseguy]
#7693900 - 11/29/07 07:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wiseguy said: i've never had any spiritual experiences. i've only gotten fucked up.

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Re: Spiritual experience on Mushrooms? Please take part in this study [Re: FecalDildo]
#7704439 - 12/01/07 09:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had spiritual expereinces on and off drugs...it's all relative...you could call breathing a spritual experience in it's broader application.
I'll take part...pm me for my email address 1st poster...if you weren't too mortified to *qwit yet... lol 
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