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OfflineBrAiN
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laws in muslim countries piss me off
    #7643119 - 11/16/07 07:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311848,00.html

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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — A 19-year-old female victim of gang rape who initially was ordered to undergo 90 lashes for "being in the car of an unrelated male at the time of the rape," has been sentenced to 200 lashes and six months in jail for telling her story to the news media.

The court last year sentenced the six heavily-armed men who carried out the attack against the Shiite woman to between one and five years for committing the crime.

But the judges had decided to punish the woman further for "her attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media," a court source told the Arab News.










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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: BrAiN]
    #7643232 - 11/16/07 08:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:eek::mad2::nonono:


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: BrAiN]
    #7643466 - 11/16/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

200 lashes and six months in jail for the rape victim.....


Muslims are fucking pigs.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7643504 - 11/16/07 09:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Not to mention a bunch of these countries execute people who convert to christianity


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: BrAiN]
    #7644748 - 11/16/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

you have it all wrong. only the extremist muslims favor stuff like this. there are very few of them. they hold little influence and are not nearly the threat they are made out to be.

:wink:


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: wilshire]
    #7644760 - 11/16/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It's on Fox News, guess what it's not a real story.

Current Media = Government Compliant.

Stop the ignorance.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: wilshire]
    #7644839 - 11/16/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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wilshire said:
you have it all wrong. only the extremist muslims favor stuff like this. there are very few of them. they hold little influence and are not nearly the threat they are made out to be.

:wink:


  I honestly cant tell if this is sarcastic or not!  :tongue:

In either case I dont think that what we consider 'extremist muslims' are the minority.  From what I see they are the norm in that region.  Of course in many other regions, like here in the US, I do think they are a minority.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: DieCommie]
    #7644874 - 11/16/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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wilshire said:
you have it all wrong. only the extremist muslims favor stuff like this. there are very few of them. they hold little influence and are not nearly the threat they are made out to be.

:wink:


  I honestly cant tell if this is sarcastic or not!  :tongue:

In either case I dont think that what we consider 'extremist muslims' are the minority.  From what I see they are the norm in that region.  Of course in many other regions, like here in the US, I do think they are a minority.



I think it depends on the country.  It's a big gap between a place like Egypt or Turkey and a place like Saudi Arabia or Iran.  That's not to say there aren't extremists in the former two countries, but they don't exert the level of control over the laws that they do in the latter(even if their laws may still seem a bit draconian compared to ours).


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #7645061 - 11/16/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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BiG_StroOnZ said:
It's on Fox News, guess what it's not a real story.

Current Media = Government Compliant.

Stop the ignorance.




http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-11-16-saudi-rape_N.htm


RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) — A Saudi court sentenced a woman who had been gang raped to six months in jail and 200 lashes — more than doubling her initial penalty for being in the car of a man who was not a relative, a newspaper reported Thursday.

Originally only 90 lashes? What were they thinking?!



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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: BrAiN]
    #7645115 - 11/16/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I hate living in a Christian country. I'll let the Muslims deal with the shitty laws that their fairy tales came up with. If they don't like it, they can stand up to their gov't for once.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: BrAiN]
    #7645604 - 11/16/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

MOre like IsLAME


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: wilshire]
    #7645693 - 11/16/07 08:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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you have it all wrong. only the extremist muslims favor stuff like this. there are very few of them. they hold little influence and are not nearly the threat they are made out to be.

:wink:




Does that mean extremist muslims run the government... be4cause they apparently made the laws that allowed this


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: Redstorm]
    #7646492 - 11/17/07 12:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I hate living in a Christian country. I'll let the Muslims deal with the shitty laws that their fairy tales came up with. If they don't like it, they can stand up to their gov't for once.




Amen


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: wilshire]
    #7646529 - 11/17/07 01:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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you have it all wrong. only the extremist muslims favor stuff like this. there are very few of them. they hold little influence and are not nearly the threat they are made out to be.

:wink:




So where are the massive street protests..?


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: zorbman]
    #7646600 - 11/17/07 02:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Muslims don't protest their government. If a rape victem gets 200 lashes, what's the punishment for protesting the government?


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: Redstorm]
    #7649821 - 11/18/07 01:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I hate living in a Christian country. I'll let the Muslims deal with the shitty laws that their fairy tales came up with. If they don't like it, they can stand up to their gov't for once.




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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: oppression]
    #7649968 - 11/18/07 03:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> +1 freedom cannot be given or granted; it can only be claimed.

So how do you explain Iraq... oh wait...


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: Seuss]
    #7650299 - 11/18/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: bodynotdead]
    #7650573 - 11/18/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: BrAiN]
    #7768990 - 12/17/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

just an update..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7147632.stm
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The Saudi king has pardoned a female rape victim sentenced to jail and 200 lashes for being alone with a man raped in the same attack, reports say.

The "Qatif girl" case caused an international outcry with widespread criticism of the Saudi justice system.

The male and female victims were in a car together when they were abducted and raped by seven attackers, who were given jail sentences up to nine years.

Press reports say King Abdullah's move did not mean the sentence was wrong.

Quoted by the Jazirah newspaper, Justice Minister Abdullah al-Sheikh said the king had the right to issue pardons if it served the public interest.

Women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to mix with men who are not close family members.

The custodial sentence plus 200 lashes was imposed after the woman, who has not been named, appealed against an earlier sentence of 90 lashes.

'Astonishing' case

The Saudi king frequently pardons criminals at the Eid al-Adha festival which takes place this week, but correspondents say that is usually announced by the official press agency.

The BBC's Heba Saleh says the king's decision to pardon the woman victim is already arousing controversy with some contributors to conservative websites, who say he has breached the rules of religion in order to appease critics in the West.

The US had called the punishment "astonishing", although it refused to condemn the Saudi justice system.

Human rights groups had been calling on King Abdullah, who has a reputation as a pro-Western reformer, to change it.

The justice ministry recently rejected what it saw as "foreign interference" in the case and insisted the ruling was legal and that the woman had confessed to having an affair with her fellow rape victim.

Earlier, the woman - who is a Shia Muslim from the Qatif area - had reportedly said she met the man in order to retrieve a photograph of them together, having herself recently got married.

She says two other men then entered the car and took them to a secluded area where others were waiting, and both she and her male companion were raped.

The woman's companion was sentenced to 90 lashes. It is not known if his sentence was also lifted.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7769654 - 12/17/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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200 lashes and six months in jail for the rape victim.....


Muslims are fucking pigs.




look, she was in the car of an unrelated male...she was totally asking for it.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: afoaf]
    #7769921 - 12/17/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I heard she was flaunting those ankles all over the block


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: BrAiN]
    #7770300 - 12/17/07 04:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a pedo. What kinda laws do you expect?


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: Minstrel]
    #7770306 - 12/17/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a pedo. What kinda laws do you expect?




This is a myth and a ignorant one at that.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7770719 - 12/17/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

He forbade swine because he was suckled from a sow's teats because his mother refused him.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7770741 - 12/17/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Or because Trichenella was a rampant problem during that time period, which is also why the jews were forbidden to eat it in duetoronomy.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7770757 - 12/17/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I was raised on that diet for 15 years. Could only eat from animals that had cloven hoof and chew their own cud, or fish that were not bottom feeders and had scales, etc...

I dont care now though, and do eat pork. I never could get a taste for exotic seafood though.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: DieCommie]
    #7770821 - 12/17/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

All you have to do is cook it. He didn't want to see his real mama cooked.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: elbisivni]
    #7771158 - 12/17/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ever notice how it's always women who bear the brunt of that savage religion?

Muslim men need to learn to cherish and respect the weaker sex. Those men who think it is OK to beat and kill women hardily deserve to be called men! They are cowards who deserve not respect from men nor pity from God!


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: NobleLie]
    #7771269 - 12/17/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Their religion is no more right or wrong than yours, whatever that may be.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7771451 - 12/17/07 08:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

sex-segregated.
womens speech should not heard.

Not in my religion.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7771472 - 12/17/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

In my 'religion' it is wrong to kill people, especially the innocent and vulnerable. If somebody thinks it is cool to kill women, then he is wrong. It is not OK to enslave, beat, or kill a woman; any man who argues otherwise is a brute and a heathen.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: elbisivni]
    #7771482 - 12/17/07 08:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's like that in some south American countries as well. If a guy rapes a woman he can get off scott free as long as he asks her to marry him. also i really don't understand the "You, the person who got raped, will be sentenced to jail + hundreds of lashes, because you put yourself in the position to be raped, while the man who raped you will pay a small fine and be on his way."


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: NobleLie]
    #7771537 - 12/17/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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In my 'religion' it is wrong to kill people, especially the innocent and vulnerable. If somebody thinks it is cool to kill women, then he is wrong. It is not OK to enslave, beat, or kill a woman; any man who argues otherwise is a brute and a heathen.




Thats all well and good.

He thinks your religion is nonsense.

You think his is.

Impasse.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7772600 - 12/18/07 01:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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In my 'religion' it is wrong to kill people, especially the innocent and vulnerable. If somebody thinks it is cool to kill women, then he is wrong. It is not OK to enslave, beat, or kill a woman; any man who argues otherwise is a brute and a heathen.




Thats all well and good.

He thinks your religion is nonsense.

You think his is.

Impasse.




No, he said whatever your religion is it is equal to islam.

Relativism is bullshit. There is such a thing as right and wrong.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: BrAiN]
    #7772623 - 12/18/07 01:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: johnm214]
    #7773414 - 12/18/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Right and wrong are manmade ideas.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7773471 - 12/18/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Right and wrong are manmade ideas.


So they do exist then.

No matter what metric you use for right and wrong the religions will be stratified along that. Given any arbitrary belief system, all cultures and religions are ranked by which one fits best to which one doesn't fit at all.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7773480 - 12/18/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I really don't think so. I think some things are clearly right and wrong.

Like math, nature, things that exist independent of man. Just as the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle is always constant, some things cannot be justified.


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Re: laws in muslim countries piss me off [Re: johnm214]
    #7775872 - 12/18/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

morally speaking, right and wrong is a human concept.


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