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Papaver orientale????
    #764215 - 07/21/02 09:08 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I recently realized that my mother has a large plot of poppies growing in her flowerbed. Upon looking her poppies up in her "Perennial Encyclopedia", I found that they were listed as Papaver orientale. I then did some searching on poppies.org and found that this species does not contain the alkaloids needed to create the poppy tea that I had in mind when I realized that my mother actually had poppies growing in her garden!

However, I am wondering about the validity of the ID I got from my mom's "Perennial Encyclopedia". It showed about 6 or 7 different varieties of Papaver orientale, and most of them were completely different from one another in terms of flower color and design. Her book also failed to list Papaver somniferum under the Papaver section.

I was hoping I could get some advice on here from a knowledgeable source about whether or not the poppies my mom has could be used to make my desired poppy tea. I will post a pic later tonight when I have access to a scanner, but for now I will just give a description:

The flower is a vibrant red color with four main petals. Two of the petals form a sort of cup around the reproductive organs of the flower (what appears to be a large, circular pistil with many tiny stamens surrounding it), and the other two petals kind of droop downward from the center. Some of the flowers also had patches of black near the reproductive organs, but some didn't.

Can anyone tell me from this description whether or not the pods from these poppies could be used to produce an effective tea? Like I said, I will post a pic later...

Thanks in advance for any help!

RebelSteve


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Re: Papaver orientale???? [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #764696 - 07/21/02 01:21 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like orientale. Is the stems hairy? Then its orientale. Not usable. When I say "hairy" I mean really fuzzy, not just a couple tiny hairs there and here, as papaver somniferum may also have some tiny hairs on some of the stems, but usually only a few. Orientale also usually have dark pollen, while somniferum have yellow or light green type pollen usually. And pods should be nice and round with no edges, not "barrel-shaped" wich is more like orientale.

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Re: Papaver orientale???? [Re: shaganoz]
    #765527 - 07/21/02 05:50 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, thank you! The stems are definitely very hairy so it must be orientale. Too bad for me

Thanks for your help though!


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