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InvisiblelIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl
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simple question
    #7642020 - 11/15/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

is there anything right now more important to you than your own safety/well-being?


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Re: simple question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7642060 - 11/15/07 09:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yes. the safety/well-being of my parents and my girlfriend..

how about you?


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Re: simple question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7642093 - 11/15/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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adjust said:
is there anything right now more important to you than your own safety/well-being?




Yes....    :smile:


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Re: simple question [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7642103 - 11/15/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

this is a two part question. i will ask the second part later


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Re: simple question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7642122 - 11/15/07 10:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

definitely - living life fully with dedication. 'complete attention.'
Or rather figuring out how to do so and doing it.

In the meantime I seem to have lost my 'fear' of death - but instead of embracing life the mindset has evolved to more of an indifference and slight apathy.

Bummer?


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Re: simple question [Re: eeso]
    #7642155 - 11/15/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The safety and wellbeing of my wife and son, followed by brothers in arms, then me.


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Re: simple question [Re: Crasher]
    #7642288 - 11/15/07 10:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There are lots of things 'more important' than my personal safety and well-being.


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Re: simple question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7642293 - 11/15/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think physical and mental health are most important, with the stipulations that it's OK to be crazy in the eyes of society, and that safety and well-being not be overly associated with health.


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Re: simple question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7642348 - 11/15/07 11:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Self-preservation is #1 except in some hypothetical situations in which a purpose for self-sacrifice overrules.


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Re: simple question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7642662 - 11/16/07 12:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

next part of the question, (if yes) is this a conscious choice or is it compelled/instinctual?


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Re: simple question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7643271 - 11/16/07 08:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No. Because every thing I care about (art, money, friends, etc) is all detrimental to my safety and/or well-being.


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Re: simple question [Re: eeso]
    #7643295 - 11/16/07 08:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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In the meantime I seem to have lost my 'fear' of death - but instead of embracing life the mindset has evolved to more of an indifference and slight apathy.


Hmm, if that's the case maybe you should look deeper. Have you really lost the fear or has it just been dulled and made unconscious?


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: simple question [Re: Boots]
    #7643322 - 11/16/07 08:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Boots said:
No. Because every thing I care about (art, money, friends, etc) is all detrimental to my safety and/or well-being.




Can you please explain?


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Re: simple question [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7643369 - 11/16/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the whole web of people and things I know and care about are all interconnected in such a way that this slightly higher target becomes most important to me.


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Re: simple question [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7643371 - 11/16/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, but I was wondering on how can this be detrimental to one's well being.


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Re: simple question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7643402 - 11/16/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

adjust said:
is there anything right now more important to you than your own safety/well-being?




NO!

This question will mislead some here for sure. While many like to "think" that there are more important things, delving into their actions and motivations will always show that the individual always comes first and foremost to themselves. Even if they take risks for others or care about others they do it because they believe it is the "right" thing (satisfies their self image as good or right) to do or they "love" them (loving others brings us pleasure or we would not do it).

There is nothing wrong with caring for yourself more and does not in any way hamper one from doing good or being part of the greater community.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: simple question [Re: Lion]
    #7643405 - 11/16/07 09:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

bug said:
Quote:

In the meantime I seem to have lost my 'fear' of death - but instead of embracing life the mindset has evolved to more of an indifference and slight apathy.


Hmm, if that's the case maybe you should look deeper.  Have you really lost the fear or has it just been dulled and made unconscious?




:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: simple question [Re: Icelander]
    #7643533 - 11/16/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

adjust said:
is there anything right now more important to you than your own safety/well-being?




NO!

This question will mislead some here for sure. While many like to "think" that there are more important things, delving into their actions and motivations will always show that the individual always comes first and foremost to themselves. Even if they take risks for others or care about others they do it because they believe it is the "right" thing (satisfies their self image as good or right) to do or they "love" them (loving others brings us pleasure or we would not do it).

There is nothing wrong with caring for yourself more and does not in any way hamper one from doing good or being part of the greater community.




well said

i thought about this a long time

if you look at bees they sometimes kill themselves to help the hive as a whole... i wonder if humans have a similar behavior

if we do, it would probably be partly instinctual... i base that on my own thoughts


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Re: simple question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7643542 - 11/16/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Again, if we killed ourselves for the benefit of the whole we would do that because our personal beliefs dictate this as the best course of action to satisfy our self image. We do it because we consider it right and good and right and good bring us pleasure.

if you look at bees they sometimes kill themselves to help the hive as a whole.

Please don't try this at home.:lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Edited by Icelander (11/16/07 10:11 AM)


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Re: simple question [Re: Icelander]
    #7643563 - 11/16/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)


i like bees


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Re: simple question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7643582 - 11/16/07 10:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: simple question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7643683 - 11/16/07 10:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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is there anything right now more important to you than your own safety/well-being?




Me, me, meeee...Of what use would i be to my loved ones, if i am not fit and in prime of my health and mental faculties.


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Re: simple question [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7644674 - 11/16/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
Quote:

Boots said:
No. Because every thing I care about (art, money, friends, etc) is all detrimental to my safety and/or well-being.




Can you please explain?





Art is detrimental to my well-being because without it, I would be miserable (unless I had never experienced it in the first place). Money is detrimental to my safety due to any sort of health procedures and medicines that I may need to pay for, and also it lets me buy things to further improve upon my happiness and well-being. Without me, I'd have no use for my friends.


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Re: simple question [Re: Boots]
    #7644679 - 11/16/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Without me, I'd have no use for my friends.

:lol:That's deep dood.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: simple question [Re: Boots]
    #7644687 - 11/16/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I am sorry, it just doesn't make any sense.
Art can exist without the concept that sustains it., since Art is beauty seen/felt/heard by the observer.
The other two explanations don't make any sense at all.
Everything that we do is for our own good, one way or another. Even thinking that we do things that are detrimental to our well being. :wink:


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All this time I've loved you
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Here is true peace
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Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


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