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Assuming God did create imperfection.
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Why oh why, would God do such a thing?

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: Gomp]
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Imperfection is what to you?

I'll answere with what i know it to be.
Imperfection means inability to fullfill everything you want to experience.

Imperfection is a means through which we experience we can experience ability because lack of ability to do something, makes the absence through which the presence of fullness of ability can be experience and be known(same thing really).

Anothe reason i think imperfection exists is because with it, arises the expeirence of perfection. I can prove to you that you know what perfection is.

If you can speak of imperfection, as quality that can be attributed to something, you inadvertently say what is not perfection. Why?
Because imperfection is not perfection and perfection is not imperfection.

Think of imperfection as a color...if you were born in a room of imperfection(darkness) all your life, i do not see how you would be able to distinguish that it is dark and even a color if there are not other colors around to draw a distinction from. because a distinction is like a reflective material where you can see what it is through what it is not.(the key word is known, because we can experience things without distinguishing things)

Example of this: If i ask you to describe a color what happens?
I begin to describe it with other qualities, that are no different than colors. Ie/ I think white is softer color than black. Softer is not different than saying i think softer is a more white sensation that harder. they are inversions of the each other.

From this i can see that color, descriptions and thus words, are even only distinguishable in the presence of other words. Imagine that you saw a raibow of colors with blue in it. I ask you, "hey what is blue" You quickly point to blue on the rainbow.
At the same time you did this, you also distinguished the other colors on the raibow as 'not blue' too. To prove this, choose an inversion of the question: what is not blue and see how you would point to all the colors that blue are not, in the same inverted way of pointing to a color that is blue.

In this i know that all things are within other things, they all exist mutually as important as all others, because without one you could not know the other one.

Oneness, is this very idea. That all things exist as one thing. Like good and bad, right and wrong, red and blue, all things exists in reality as reflections of another. it is the same with people: look into the eyes of someone you like or see as important and what happens is you see the reason for their importance and likeability in them, which is the unimportance and unlikeability of another.

Light just wouldnt seem bright without darkness! This is the reason for imperfection, i believe and a practical reason for oneness.


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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.

And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....

Edited by JoseLibrado (11/15/07 10:29 AM)

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: Gomp]
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I just can't think of anything that was created as being imperfect....    :ohwell:
Everything serves it's purpose, either way.... 
Variety is the spice, n'stuff....


>^;;^<


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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: PhanTomCat]
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Only man could come up with something as insane as imperfection.

If light shines perfectly, how can imperfection make it more perfect?

How can something be one when there is a hidden aspect to it? If something is hidden it implies a part of it is unknown, and then therefore the knowledge that it is one is unknowable, and if it cant be known as one, it could be a million. Something is one when it is known fully as itself.

If something needed imperfection to define itself would it not be dependent on something imperfect, and if so, would not that dependency make it self imperfect?

So Id say God did not create imperfection, man did, and given each moment he can choose with God, or with his imperfections.

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: Boundless]
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We were made in God's image, WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT GOD?


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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: cosmoline]
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cosmoline said:
We were made in God's image, WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT GOD?


That God is learning? :wink:

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: Boundless]
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Quote:
If light shines perfectly, how can imperfection make it more perfect?


Neat though..

One light one would see, if one saw the perfect light?

To be able to individualize it, one needs shadows?

"Darkness, is but; inanimate/still light!"


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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: Gomp]
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I got many takes on the question I posed in the first post, BTW. So pleas keep those answers of yours coming.. And it is OK to answer more than once, even on the same post.. :wink:

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: Gomp]
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Quote:
Why oh why, would God do such a thing?


To make things interesting :peace:


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From dust you are made and to dust you shall return.

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: elbisivni]
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Heh..

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: Gomp]
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Cause God can.


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Give me struggle, iron, volcanoes...

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: Gomp]
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Gomp said:
Why oh why, would God do such a thing?


Because "God" is really just a demiurge and didn't know what the fuck he was doing?

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: Gomp]
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To let g*d been (ap)proved :smile:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Think about it this way. Most people I know want there to be no sadness, no depression, no pain, no suffering, etc. because they assume they're imperfect for example. God created things this way because without these negatives we'd be in a perpetual state of happiness, completely destroying EVERYTHING that makes us human. (this was only an example)
Imperfection IS perfection.

(re-read the thread. By coincidence, this is just a very concise summery of an earlier post by JoseLibrado)


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Hope for the best, expect the worst.

Your world is how you perceive it.

Edited by cycoshitzo (11/16/07 02:58 PM)

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: cycoshitzo]
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God created things this way because without these negatives we'd be in a perpetual state of happiness, completely destroying EVERYTHING that makes us human.


SO moving towards a better society would in your opinion be bad thing?

That is wrong. How do you jump to stating that living without pain and hatred and evil would destroy our humanity? What nonsense. We can feel pain, therefore if we don't feel pain we're not human or expresing our humanity? Wrong. evil and sorrow and pain and corruption attack humanity and corrupt the fabric of society.

And if we're feeling pain we are human? SO do you want to be inflicted with pain to cherish your sense of humanity? Your value system is all messed up, and that's not how it works in real life.

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
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god doesn't make mistakes. he fixes them. and oh yeah, you can get to a place where everything IS perfect. and then 5 minutes later everything can be shitty again. you are what wants to be perfect because perfection is happiness

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: sleepy]
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on the first day, god created the world, on the second day, god created imperfection, on the fourth day, he created man, on the fifth, marijuana, on the sixth man smoked marijuana, on the 7th god said let me have some of your dankness my friend! let us burn this plant which i have made and let it help us see the perfection that IS Everything and more.

Edited by sleepy (11/17/07 04:28 AM)

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: sleepy]
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sleepy said:
god doesn't make mistakes. he fixes them. and oh yeah, you can get to a place where everything IS perfect. and then 5 minutes later everything can be shitty again. you are what wants to be perfect because perfection is happiness


it is only us who choose to see things as shitty


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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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We have the ability to decipher right from wrong. Wrong being imperfection.

Thus, we wouldn't be human if we couldn't do this.


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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: sleepy]
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sleepy said:
god doesn't make mistakes.  he fixes them.  and oh yeah, you can get to a place where everything IS perfect.  and then 5 minutes later everything can be shitty again.  you are what wants to be perfect because perfection is happiness


sleepy said:
on the first day, god created the world, on the second day, god created imperfection, on the fourth day, he created man, on the fifth, marijuana, on the sixth man smoked marijuana, on the 7th god said "get a job, what do you mean everything is perfect?  lair"


:wtf:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: MushroomTrip]
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"always look on the bright side of life"

i'm not disagreeing or making fun. it is very possible to see the best in everything. to keep that vision is a very good thing and tough, makes for happiness in your life

Edited by sleepy (11/17/07 04:18 AM)

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: cube talk]
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cube talk said:
We have the ability to decipher right from wrong. Wrong being imperfection.

Thus, we wouldn't be human if we couldn't do this.


Now the question is why do we choose imperfection?

Is it because we believe we can actually get something from it? Something thats valuable?

If theres nothing valuable in imperfection, then it must be delusion which motivates us to choose it consistently.

If so then its not our ability to wander in darkness as we choose or see in the light, its that we don't even know WHY we wander in darkness.

If someone could see before them a choice between perfection and imperfection the choice would be obvious. Seeing it clearly, perfection is the only right choice.

So then the problem is our ignorance of the truth. Having the veil removed we would BE living in eternal happiness. There would be no reason at all to choose darkness, not even the consideration would present itself.

Why speculate on nothing, when you have and ARE everything?

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: Boundless]
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Boundless said:
cube talk said:
Now the question is why do we choose imperfection?





Good one! I have to answer this with one..

To have something to perfect?


Say the base of life, was enlightenment, but one could construckt a path, to get to where one is.

Some just understand that they are..
Others make themselves be..


Kind of like putting a hat on, only so one are able to take a hat off..

Funny world we live in! :wink:

Edited by Gomp (11/17/07 10:50 PM)

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
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Thanks for accusations. That's not what I meant. We can all learn to be a better society, but without ever having any other emotion than happiness, happiness itself wouldn't be as great. I'm not saying destroy this, or make these people suffer, I'm simply saying we wouldn't know any other emotion. If people would just lighten up and learn, society could still keep all emotions and still function fine keeping happiness. There is a nature of balance, and the law does apply to emotions. I would not wish pain on anyone, especially torture My opinion earlier was very general, your interpretation was not what my intent. And by destroying our humanity, I was referring to our awareness: Sure we'd be happy 24-7, but without the knowledge of any type of pain we don't have full awareness of knowledge referring to emotions (for example, feelings of music, hatred for certain genre's, types of movies, politics, etc., would have all disappeared, even the simplest difference in an opinion brings about change in life.). A perfect society is a great thing, but I personally believe that learning from our mistakes and pains are a better thing than having never known them. Sure there are people who are the sickest people who ever lived and there are huge moral issues around the world, but that's not what this is about. Your welcome to take what I said any way you want, I just didn't explain what I meant enough.

(the other posts below yours explain my meaning more in depth pretty well too)


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Hope for the best, expect the worst.

Your world is how you perceive it.

Edited by cycoshitzo (11/19/07 11:08 AM)

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Re: Assuming God did create imperfection. [Re: cycoshitzo]
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We're in "training" for the next dimension. We need to understand what being trapped in a physical body is before we can appreciate being free in a spiritual plane. Perhaps God is born of man and not vice versa?


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