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InvisibleShroomyJay
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Veils breaking way too early? (PICS)
    #7638111 - 11/15/07 01:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

My buddy has some BRF cakes that have developed hundreds of little pins over the course of a couple of days. Problem is, the veils are already breaking, even though the pins are only half an inch to an inch long.

Humidity has been at 95 percent the whole time, temps between 75 and 82, and air exchange has mostly been provided by an aquarium bubbler connected to a timer which intermittently turns on for a total of about two hours a day. Is that the problem? Should he be fanning regularly despite the bubbler?

I should also mention that this is the first flush, and they were all dunked for 10 hours prior to being put in the FC.

A forum search comes up with other people having the same problem, but nobody with a solution.

Click on the pics below to see. These are MACRO shots, so while they may look big, these really are TINY pins. The one in the second picture is literally only half an inch long!!





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Re: Veils breaking way too early? (PICS) [Re: ShroomyJay]
    #7638121 - 11/15/07 01:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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agar said:
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Cubenisseur said:
This also answers my question about the difference in size between my fruit bodies on two separate casings. Another question is how does this relate, if at all, to the time when the cap opens up?




If you look at the colonized substrate as a combination moisture / nutrient reservoir & pumping station. When the reservoir is pumped near empty, that triggers the caps to open.





From this thread.


meaning they probably are too small of a substrate to support
all of those pins, and they are dehydrated.
no water = no shrooms.


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Re: Veils breaking way too early? (PICS) [Re: ShroomyJay]
    #7638122 - 11/15/07 01:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What is the strain your growing? From the looks of it looks bit like PE which can actually do this, as in break veils then keep growing none the less since ive never grown them this is just an idea from other grows ive seen. Its also possible that the watercontent of the cakes is low and the pins cant mature. It doesnt look like your FAE is a problem however from the sound of it they could use a bit more, so in adition to the bubbler it would be good to fan out the FC a few times a day.


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Re: Veils breaking way too early? (PICS) [Re: ShroomyJay]
    #7638123 - 11/15/07 01:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I wish I knew. AFOAF is having similar problems


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Re: Veils breaking way too early? (PICS) [Re: monstermitch]
    #7638127 - 11/15/07 01:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well, as I said, this is the first flush, and they were dunked for 10 hours...


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Re: Veils breaking way too early? (PICS) [Re: kocos]
    #7638131 - 11/15/07 01:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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kocos said:
What is the strain your growing? From the looks of it looks bit like PE which can actually do this, as in break veils then keep growing none the less since ive never grown them this is just an idea from other grows ive seen. Its also possible that the watercontent of the cakes is low and the pins cant mature. It doesnt look like your FAE is a problem however from the sound of it they could use a bit more, so in adition to the bubbler it would be good to fan out the FC a few times a day.




They're Cambodian, which are supposed to be smaller than average, but not THIS small...


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Re: Veils breaking way too early? (PICS) [Re: ShroomyJay]
    #7638132 - 11/15/07 01:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

10 hours in insufficient for cakes.
they're too dense for that.
clicky.


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Re: Veils breaking way too early? (PICS) [Re: TripleTree3]
    #7638135 - 11/15/07 01:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

MM just answered your question. since you had such a nice pinset all those pins are consuming the nutes in your cake and your cake is running dry thus causing your caps to open. the same thing happened to me. it all will work out in the end. a whole binch of littier mushies = a fair amount of bigger ones.


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Re: Veils breaking way too early? (PICS) [Re: blood4blood]
    #7638141 - 11/15/07 01:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You can try injecting your cakes carefully with a sterile syringe and sterile water, iam quite confident it will allow for atleast a few pins to reach maturity.


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Re: Veils breaking way too early? (PICS) [Re: kocos]
    #7638162 - 11/15/07 01:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the info. Most of what I've read said that dunking prior to the first flush is "optional", and that 8-12 hours is sufficient.


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Re: Veils breaking way too early? (PICS) [Re: ShroomyJay]
    #7638185 - 11/15/07 01:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It normally is, but after such a good pinset maybe the water got used up. 18 hours of dunking is optimal, and most do 24h (always in the fridge) but never go over 24h.

Oh, and don't inject anything into the cake. If anything sit it in water for a while if the bottom or top haven't got any pins on it.


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Re: Veils breaking way too early? (PICS) [Re: Nibin]
    #7638195 - 11/15/07 01:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yea trying to get water into a cake via syringe is next to impossible anyways. i tryed it once recently and i was pushing so hard on the syringe to try and get the water out, it burst out the top of the cake and hit me in the eye. those cakes are pretty dense.


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Re: Veils breaking way too early? (PICS) [Re: blood4blood]
    #7638242 - 11/15/07 02:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

True, never done cakes, i inject bulk subs.


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Re: Veils breaking way too early? (PICS) [Re: kocos]
    #7638251 - 11/15/07 02:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Any time i've had this happen has either been when i had too little substrate, or after i've sprayed them with H202, usually only happens for the first flush (for me anyway). Try a dunk and roll, but don't inject anything into the cake


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