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Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old?
#7636672 - 11/14/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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(First off let me say that I'm not going to give salvia to a 10 year old kid, or in no way am I thinking about it)
Now, this 10 year old kid...
* Is a psychonaut * Has had experience with altered states of mind (not saying drugs for realistic reasons) * Understands the risks, the effects and precautions of a salvia trip * Is doing it for the "right reasons" (whatever they may be) * Is mature and respectful
Or, would you give it to a 20 year old man...
* Is not a psychonaut * Has had experience with cannabis and alcohol * Does not completely understand the main effects * Is not completely respectful nor mature but shows some sympathy * Unsure of reasons from which he's doing it
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
#7636683 - 11/14/07 06:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kids shouldn't trip. Their brains are tiny and malleable. Even a stupid 20 year old has a more mature brain than a genius 10 year old.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#7636696 - 11/14/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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how about i keep it and smoke it myself.
10 years old aren't old enough to understand - no matter what. and the 20 year would just be ignorant.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#7636708 - 11/14/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think the size of the brain means much of anything.
Malleable? Depends on what you mean. The idea is, the 10 year old kid is the perfect tripper - or somewhat close to it.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
#7636718 - 11/14/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, the size of the brain doesn't mean much. But its stage in development does. A child's brain is incomplete, it still has growing to do. Tampering with its chemical balance and profoundly fucking with a child's frame of reference (which salvia does perhaps above all) are dangerous in the long term.
I'd even say flat no to smoking pot at 10, but salvia's just asking for trouble.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#7636744 - 11/14/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ten is too young for any drug, even caffeine IMO.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
#7636769 - 11/14/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would give the kid heroin instead.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: opensaysme]
#7636770 - 11/14/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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neither.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: headofmike]
#7636820 - 11/14/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I plan on smoking a joint with my kid when he/she is around 13 or 14 though.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: headofmike]
#7636832 - 11/14/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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kids shouldnt do any drugs. If it was a perfect world no caffeine either... They would drink water and have nice nutritious foods... But this isnt a perfect world
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: implee]
#7636874 - 11/14/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wouldn't let any kid I cared about touch any mind-altering substance until they were at least in their teens. Something like shrooms might set them on the path toward discovery if done at a light dose and in a safe environment. But younger than teens-I wouldn't feel good with that.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
#7636903 - 11/14/07 07:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd go with the kid. If he is a psychonaut already, what's the harm? My moral values don't position themselves on others. If this kid has experience with psychedelics above that of a 20 year old, then I would give it to him rather than the 20 year old. Of course the brain is developing, but I don't think me giving an already seasoned psychedelic using 10 year old some salvia would make much impact on him. There are some extremely mature kids, you would be surprised.
On the other hand, giving it to a 20 year old that doesn't know what the hell he's doing, seems like worse things would happen.
Without the limitations of the question though, i would keep it and give it to neither obviously.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Drewwyann]
#7637005 - 11/14/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wouldn't take part in permanently altering a 10 year old boy/girl's neurotransmitters. Regardless of who your morals extend to, I hope they at least include respect for the well being of others, especially when your negligence might lead to irreparable damage to them. The 20 year old idiot isn't a great candidate either.
why present such a question?
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
#7637018 - 11/14/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Serdal said: (First off let me say that I'm not going to give salvia to a 10 year old kid, or in no way am I thinking about it)
Now, this 10 year old kid...
* Is a psychonaut * Has had experience with mind altering states of mind (not saying drugs for realistic reasons) * Understands the risks, the effects and precautions of a salvia trip * Is doing it for the "right reasons" (whatever they may be) * Is mature and respectful
Or, would you give it to a 20 year old man...
* Is not a psychonaut * Has had experience with cannabis and alcohol * Does not completely understand the main effects * Is not completely respectful nor mature but shows some sympathy * Unsure of reasons from which he's doing it
i say neither
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: bonghittr]
#7637331 - 11/14/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Obviously the 20 year old. Young kids have intense enough imaginations as is.
Plus, there's the added advantage of watching some half-wit beer-chugging "bro" shit his pants.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
#7637345 - 11/14/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Plus, there's the added advantage of watching some half-wit beer-chugging "bro" shit his pants.
HAHA shitting my pants at your comment saucer. I watched a "bro" friend of mine do that . . . not litteraly of course but he did not heed my advice about the power of the shrooms.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: IslandShroomer]
#7637371 - 11/14/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I vote no. Hell no.
Shit, I didnt read the whole thing. Neither.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: YeagerBomb]
#7637386 - 11/14/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thinking back to when I was ten...I could have handled it, but I would not have enjoyed it. When you are young you have a very open world paradigm, so they would be less likely to think they are 'going insane' and the potential of a bad trip would be lessened. There would be serious dangers though. A kid would have trouble separating what he sees and thinks on the trip from reality. When you spend half your life in imaginary play anyways it could lead to an 'interesting' set of beliefs.
Its a bad idea but I think it would probably turn out okay, kids have a way of letting things roll of their backs.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
#7637468 - 11/14/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Orbital_Saucer said: Obviously the 20 year old. Young kids have intense enough imaginations as is.
Plus, there's the added advantage of watching some half-wit beer-chugging "bro" shit his pants.
Most certainly. On both points.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
#7637503 - 11/14/07 09:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most adults on this forum are terrified from salvia, do you think a ten year old could handle it? I guess it depends on the dose.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
#7637512 - 11/14/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know Salvia and I have a strained relationship as it is, I can't imagine what I would have thought in the what, 5th grade?
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Crasher]
#7637950 - 11/15/07 12:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah, how exactly is a 10 year old a psychonaut? No, as has already been said salvia has a tendency to freak adults and who really understands the experience anyway? Do you really understand the effects? I mean I have ideas, but everyone who does it does and we all seem to have different ideas about it. SO who really, truthfully understands it.
I mean the biggest thing about salvia (and dmt from what I understand) is that the effects and the places they take you are (and feel) very alien. With mushrooms and acid it always at least feels like its part of you. Salvia is really hard to take because it doesn't it just feels terribly bizarre.
Plus a ten year olds brain is not fully developed. Like someone said a dumb 20 year old is still more mature than a 10 year old genius.
Most adults shouldn't do salvia in my opinion and the ten year old is not the perfect tripper for one simple reason. He's ten!
I think maybe your forgetting just how young ten actually is.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
#7637983 - 11/15/07 12:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you did i would consider you as a scumbag hippie in need of being tortured for a couple days.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: pong]
#7638339 - 11/15/07 04:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i introduced a 16 year old friend of mine to salvia. we both bought a vile of it online, and smoked it together a few times. a few weeks later he told me he'd let some of his other friends try it and described some responses.
a few 15/16yr olds just started laughin and got a bit freaked out.
one 14yr old started running, then fell to the floor and lay there.
one 12yr old just started crying.
i was pretty shocked n obviously i told my friend that he shouldnt be giving salvia to small children, think he just thought it was really funny.
either way i dont think its a good idea to give salvia to small children, but i dont think it would be particularly damaging in the long term. it's possible, but im pretty sure theyd get over it.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
#7638841 - 11/15/07 10:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: norml840]
#7640118 - 11/15/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd pick the 10 year old.
I hate it when people don't think a 10 year old can't be logical. And on TOP of being logical, they know Salvia from top to bottom? If they know all the effects of it, which some people here are neglecting this fact, I wouldn't mind giving one a single hit. Plus, having a big imagination would help be more familiar to the experience, it would seem to me.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Cyrone]
#7640706 - 11/15/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I'd have to agree with, "Kids shouldn't trip"
I first started tripping when I was a freshman in highschool, and I remember those first trips not only blew my mind and scared the shit out of me, but made me feel extremely depressed for months (probably because going through puberty can cause depression in itself).
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: MustardMan]
#7640739 - 11/15/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Man I just don't know... I wouldn't give salvia but damn he's 10, he's not going to have that.
The test would be to see how long he can wait.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
#7640751 - 11/15/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Serdal said:
* Is not a psychonaut * Has had experience with cannabis and alcohol * Does not completely understand the main effects * Is not completely respectful nor mature but shows some sympathy * Unsure of reasons from which he's doing it
I gave it to a friend who's 20 and another who's 18 who are just as described here. And it was good.
I still wouldn't give it to the kid. A 10 year old CAN'T be as described because as I've learned from psychology a 10 year old's thought pattern works very differently from someone who's 20.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: ROX]
#7640764 - 11/15/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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"A 10 year old CAN'T be as described because as I've learned from psychology a 10 year old's thought pattern works very differently from someone who's 20. "
thats why the question is hypothetical.
why is this fact so hard for people to get their heads around?
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Drewwyann]
#7641178 - 11/15/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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kno a guy who did lsd n eby the time he was 13 prolly kno another even younger you just dont know these days the idiot will cough up the money go on his way and forget about it later but the 10 year old, i think thats as hard as you can trip
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Robo]
#7641285 - 11/15/07 06:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Adagio said: I would give the kid heroin instead.
I was thinking the same thing
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
#7641953 - 11/15/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, I would not give salvia to a 10 year old. For reasons already stated, biggest being he is a kid who's growing and mind is growing and very impressionable. It's not a good idea for kids to be interested in drugs at such a young age. You can give it to them like weed brownie if they're sick and they won't know if they're young enough. But kids shouldn't be drinking coffee let alone smoking salvia and useing psychadelic drugs. Whether he's done it or not is irrellevent, he shouldn't do it now.
I don't see any reasonable situation where a person who have to choose between the two.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7642970 - 11/16/07 04:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So my question to everyone who says no to the ten year old kid:
What bad effects would salvia have on a growing brain?
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
#7643105 - 11/16/07 06:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe nothing, but why try?
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: PyroBurns]
#7643144 - 11/16/07 07:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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its not a good idea to give anyone salvia. period.
considering the fact that i have seen mental breakdowns on just weed.
i doubt i would give a person who is half the age the most potent hallucinogen i have ever tried.
it would fuck them up for sure.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: pong]
#7643319 - 11/16/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Negative effects on the brain?
At ten years old a child's brain is still extremely malleable, it's in a state thats easily influenced and changed. Think about how confusing and reality shattering a breakthrough on salvia is.....
The child will most likely have no idea what to think of it, like most people who try salvia. But where for someone of a normal adult age this confusion would just be brushed off, without to much trouble (usually), a ten year old might hang onto that, and dwell on the experience making him very mentally unstable.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: opensaysme]
#7643565 - 11/16/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This question, albeit hypothetical is still hard to answer. For clarification, what are you wondering? Are you wondering how salvia would affect these indivudal's bodies or minds? In essence, are you asking what would happen if a person who had the mentality of a mature adult, contained within the body of a ten year old consumed salvia? In terms of mental affects, I can see the drug affecting this individual in a manner it would affect you or me... developed, informed and with the right intentions, it seems pretty straightforward what would happen to this person. Reflect upon your saliva experiences if you have any. But in terms of their body, that question is still up in the air because we do not know at length, how salvia and psychedelics affect developing brains.
On the whole, this question is rather impossible on all fronts. Because think of it this way, there is no possible way a ten year old can have the psyche of an adult. A mature psyche results from development over time and life experience. Even though this ten year old may be informed and have the correct intentions, their overall mental state is in no way comparable to that of a 20 year old's, no matter how ignorant a 20 year old can get.
This sort of reminds of me of those child prodigies which you hear about attending university at age 14 or whatever. Sure they are smart enough (maybe even smarter) to function with the rest of the students, in terms of life experience and overall maturity, however, they are still in their early teens going through a way different stage in their life opposed to someone in their twenties. From my point of view this individual will not receive the same type of “college” experience as the rest of the students because in a sense they are isolated and on their own.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: today mylove]
#7643601 - 11/16/07 10:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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From the description of the 20 year old, it sounds like they're doing it just for the hell of it. I'd give it to the 20 year old and watch them cry. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but ignorance makes me angry and anybody who smokes salvia just to get fucked up deserves what comes.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
#7643648 - 11/16/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have both of them write a 10 page essay explaining their current philosophy on life and what the future means to them. No such thing as a free lunch.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: opensaysme]
#7644036 - 11/16/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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opensaysme said: Negative effects on the brain?
At ten years old a child's brain is still extremely malleable, it's in a state thats easily influenced and changed. Think about how confusing and reality shattering a breakthrough on salvia is.....
The child will most likely have no idea what to think of it, like most people who try salvia. But where for someone of a normal adult age this confusion would just be brushed off, without to much trouble (usually), a ten year old might hang onto that, and dwell on the experience making him very mentally unstable.
The child would know how to handle it because of the characteristics I listed. "Malleable" Isn't what I was asking for. If it's bad for a child then what effects does it have that make it bad? Does it kill brain cells if you're under 18? (No I'm not literally asking that)
If it's simply that it might make him go a little 'crazy', then I can firmly tell you that this imaginary child will not. It's hypothetical, remember.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
#7644070 - 11/16/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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opensaysme said: Negative effects on the brain?
At ten years old a child's brain is still extremely malleable, it's in a state thats easily influenced and changed. Think about how confusing and reality shattering a breakthrough on salvia is.....
The child will most likely have no idea what to think of it, like most people who try salvia. But where for someone of a normal adult age this confusion would just be brushed off, without to much trouble (usually), a ten year old might hang onto that, and dwell on the experience making him very mentally unstable.
The child would know how to handle it because of the characteristics I listed. "Malleable" Isn't what I was asking for. If it's bad for a child then what effects does it have that make it bad? Does it kill brain cells if you're under 18? (No I'm not literally asking that)
If it's simply that it might make him go a little 'crazy', then I can firmly tell you that this imaginary child will not. It's hypothetical, remember.
Why because he's a psychonaut? You can ask people who are extremely experienced with psychedelics what salvia is like for them and they will still say it can be a very powerful, earth shattering experience.
How can you guarantee someone will not go crazy? A forty year old smoking salvia could have a very difficult time with it.
What do you mean you weren't asking for malleable lol? I was responding to the person who asked what the bad effects would be, and i described the ten year old brain which IS very malleable, i don't care if the kid was fuckin steven hawking.
You keep saying it's hypothetical but then mixing in things that you want to follow normal FACTS in reality with pure fiction. Your logic is flawed my son....
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: opensaysme]
#7644100 - 11/16/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The kid would be mentally fine, sorry if that's misleading.
When I say what damage is done to the brain I meant physical, not mental. If you meant physically malleable than that's too general for me.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
#7644116 - 11/16/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Salvia doesn't cause any physical damage that we know of, that would not be the problem. I meant mentally malleable, as in easily influenced and changed. Which EVERY ten year old kid is, im sorry if thats tough to understand. I realize he would be mentally "fine" but even people who do have all their screws tightened can be jarred by such an experience. Thats all i was trying to say.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: opensaysme]
#7644164 - 11/16/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've heard a few people on here say that they wouldn't give a ten year old the salvia because of his brain and how it's bad for it. Just thought you were one of them.
The overall idea, is that the 10 year old kid WILL be mentally fine. Maybe he'll have a bad trip and get scared for a week... who knows. I'm aware of salvia's effects and the mental damage it can cause, but throughout a lot of past threads I've heard people saying that they wouldn't give a little kid anything because of his age. My opinion has always been age doesn't mean anything (although that's very generally put). The idea of the thread is if you would rather give the BEST tripper salvia or the worst tripper salvia, with the ages being different.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
#7644292 - 11/16/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I definitely would not! A ten year old is not nearly old enough to handle a psychedelic experience.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
#7644367 - 11/16/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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no way the ten year old. but i wouldnt waste it on a prick either.
when i have kids im going mushroom hunting with them when theyre ready. I reckon this will be around 16, maybe 15. ill see how it goes. i know i smoked weed from too early (12).
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Ness1]
#7644491 - 11/16/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ness1 said: Sorry if that sounds harsh, but ignorance makes me angry and anybody who smokes salvia just to get fucked up deserves what comes.
yeah cus doing things to get fucked up is so wrong.

hippies suck. and so do you.
you should rephrase that to say anybody who does it without researching its effects ....
fucking hippies
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: pong]
#7644806 - 11/16/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ness1 said: Sorry if that sounds harsh, but ignorance makes me angry and anybody who smokes salvia just to get fucked up deserves what comes.
yeah cus doing things to get fucked up is so wrong.

hippies suck. and so do you.
you should rephrase that to say anybody who does it without researching its effects ....
fucking hippies
Geez, man. I remember when you once wanted to inoculate apples and force feed them to cows. Such a brilliant idea. That post was a while ago, and you really haven't changed much. You think frat parties are cool, and you sound like an egotistical beer drinker who loves to get fucked up. I mean... your name is pong! Very few people on here are into getting fucked up. You think that hippies suck. Why exactly are you on the Shroomery? Am I missing something here?
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Feanor]
#7644878 - 11/16/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well heres another thing you may not know about me.
i joke around alot.
i am saying here that doing something to get fucked up is not a bad thing at all. some people may overdo it and that can lead to bad things, but in reality im sure many shroomery members are responsible at getting fucked up. so the questions is...
am i against hippies? or this "hippy" mentality that considers drinking alcohol and smoking herb to be a bad thing?
in my vocab getting fucked up means these two things together
if you go by another definition then please enlighten me so i can understand.
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i wouldnt give saliva to either the 10 yr old or the 20 yr old. unless they asked me about it, demonstrated knowledge of what it does , and i was confident that they wouldnt blame me for any bad experiences.
but even a ten yr old would get the boot cus thats just too young.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: pong]
#7644923 - 11/16/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Since when has "hippy mentality" said that smoking herb was bad?
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Robo]
#7645001 - 11/16/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well if drinking some beer and smoking some weed aka getting fucked up is bad what else am i to think?
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: pong]
#7645300 - 11/16/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So this question has nothing to do with age but whether someone who is well prepared but socially we think of him/her not ready despite the facts at hand or someone percieved as ready but is in fact not even close to ready?
I'd give it to the person who is prepared, being the kid.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: learningtofly]
#7645382 - 11/16/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah if the kid's a psychonaut then there really isn't much of an issue, he'll be able to handle it.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: geedorah]
#7646471 - 11/17/07 12:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used to work with a kid who started doing shrooms on a regular basis at around the age of 9. I guess his dad was a real big hippy.
You give a 10 year old some salvia, and I don't think there will be much of a long term effect. Sure he may be tripping out for 10 minutes, but when the next day rolls around, I'm sure he/she wouldn't even think about it twice. He wouldn't contemplate the effects of the drug, and or understand what really happened, thus it would just be another thought amongst many in the mind of a 10 year old.
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On getting "fucked up" [Re: g00ru]
#7646489 - 11/17/07 12:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Firstly, don't we all want this at some level? Even the most spiritual, meaningful, moral, psychedelic experience is, at the root, becoming "fucked up". When we say fucked up, we mean a change from the ordinary. Blowing away what should be, rewriting the rules.
Who's to say one man's fucked is anything less than the next's enlightened. It really all comes down to getting a fresh perspective.
As far as the ten year old thing goes, I think the argument is essentially the same as in the pet thread, where a poster wondered if it was morally acceptable to allow his cat to trip with him.
I'm not going to trash someone who decides to administer psychedelics to pets/children. They may be exceptional subjects who in all likelihood can handle the trip. All I know for sure, is I have yet to meet a fifth grader I would dose.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
#7646895 - 11/17/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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10 is still considered a developing stage for the brain I believe, so I couldn't really give a 10 year old salvia without feeling like a bad person.
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: LbDub]
#7647157 - 11/17/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Salvia does not stop the brain from physically developing.
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