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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7644036 - 11/16/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Negative effects on the brain?

At ten years old a child's brain is still extremely malleable, it's in a state thats easily influenced and changed. Think about how confusing and reality shattering a breakthrough on salvia is.....

The child will most likely have no idea what to think of it, like most people who try salvia. But where for someone of a normal adult age this confusion would just be brushed off, without to much trouble (usually), a ten year old might hang onto that, and dwell on the experience making him very mentally unstable.




The child would know how to handle it because of the characteristics I listed. "Malleable" Isn't what I was asking for. If it's bad for a child then what effects does it have that make it bad? Does it kill brain cells if you're under 18? (No I'm not literally asking that)

If it's simply that it might make him go a little 'crazy', then I can firmly tell you that this imaginary child will not. It's hypothetical, remember.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
    #7644070 - 11/16/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Negative effects on the brain?

At ten years old a child's brain is still extremely malleable, it's in a state thats easily influenced and changed. Think about how confusing and reality shattering a breakthrough on salvia is.....

The child will most likely have no idea what to think of it, like most people who try salvia. But where for someone of a normal adult age this confusion would just be brushed off, without to much trouble (usually), a ten year old might hang onto that, and dwell on the experience making him very mentally unstable.




The child would know how to handle it because of the characteristics I listed. "Malleable" Isn't what I was asking for. If it's bad for a child then what effects does it have that make it bad? Does it kill brain cells if you're under 18? (No I'm not literally asking that)

If it's simply that it might make him go a little 'crazy', then I can firmly tell you that this imaginary child will not. It's hypothetical, remember.




Why because he's a psychonaut? You can ask people who are extremely experienced with psychedelics what salvia is like for them and they will still say it can be a very powerful, earth shattering experience.

How can you guarantee someone will not go crazy? A forty year old smoking salvia could have a very difficult time with it.

What do you mean you weren't asking for malleable lol? I was responding to the person who asked what the bad effects would be, and i described the ten year old brain which IS very malleable, i don't care if the kid was fuckin steven hawking.

You keep saying it's hypothetical but then mixing in things that you want to follow normal FACTS in reality with pure fiction. Your logic is flawed my son....


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7644100 - 11/16/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The kid would be mentally fine, sorry if that's misleading.

When I say what damage is done to the brain I meant physical, not mental. If you meant physically malleable than that's too general for me.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
    #7644116 - 11/16/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Salvia doesn't cause any physical damage that we know of, that would not be the problem. I meant mentally malleable, as in easily influenced and changed. Which EVERY ten year old kid is, im sorry if thats tough to understand. I realize he would be mentally "fine" but even people who do have all their screws tightened can be jarred by such an experience. Thats all i was trying to say.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7644164 - 11/16/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've heard a few people on here say that they wouldn't give a ten year old the salvia because of his brain and how it's bad for it. Just thought you were one of them.

The overall idea, is that the 10 year old kid WILL be mentally fine. Maybe he'll have a bad trip and get scared for a week... who knows. I'm aware of salvia's effects and the mental damage it can cause, but throughout a lot of past threads I've heard people saying that they wouldn't give a little kid anything because of his age. My opinion has always been age doesn't mean anything (although that's very generally put). The idea of the thread is if you would rather give the BEST tripper salvia or the worst tripper salvia, with the ages being different.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
    #7644292 - 11/16/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I definitely would not! A ten year old is not nearly old enough to handle a psychedelic experience.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7644367 - 11/16/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

no way the ten year old. but i wouldnt waste it on a prick either.

when i have kids im going mushroom hunting with them when theyre ready. I reckon this will be around 16, maybe 15. ill see how it goes. i know i smoked weed from too early (12).


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Ness1]
    #7644491 - 11/16/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Sorry if that sounds harsh, but ignorance makes me angry and anybody who smokes salvia just to get fucked up deserves what comes.




yeah cus doing things to get fucked up is so wrong.
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hippies suck. and so do you.

you should rephrase that to say anybody who does it without researching its effects ....


fucking hippies
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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: pong]
    #7644806 - 11/16/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Sorry if that sounds harsh, but ignorance makes me angry and anybody who smokes salvia just to get fucked up deserves what comes.




yeah cus doing things to get fucked up is so wrong.
:bongload:

hippies suck. and so do you.

you should rephrase that to say anybody who does it without researching its effects ....


fucking hippies
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Geez, man. I remember when you once wanted to inoculate apples and force feed them to cows. Such a brilliant idea. :lol: That post was a while ago, and you really haven't changed much. You think frat parties are cool, and you sound like an egotistical beer drinker who loves to get fucked up. I mean... your name is pong! :lol: Very few people on here are into getting fucked up. You think that hippies suck.
Why exactly are you on the Shroomery? Am I missing something here?


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Feanor]
    #7644878 - 11/16/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

well heres another thing you may not know about me.

i joke around alot.


i am saying here that doing something to get fucked up is not a bad thing at all. some people may overdo it and that can lead to bad things, but in reality im sure many shroomery members are responsible at getting fucked up. so the questions is...

am i against hippies? or this "hippy" mentality that considers drinking alcohol and smoking herb to be a bad thing?

in my vocab getting fucked up means these two things together

if you go by another definition then please enlighten me so i can understand.

and if you want another quote

i wouldnt give saliva to either the 10 yr old or the 20 yr old. unless they asked me about it, demonstrated knowledge of what it does , and i was confident that they wouldnt blame me for any bad experiences.

but even a ten yr old would get the boot cus thats just too young.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: pong]
    #7644923 - 11/16/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Since when has "hippy mentality" said that smoking herb was bad? :what:


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Robo]
    #7645001 - 11/16/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

well if drinking some beer and smoking some weed aka getting fucked up is bad what else am i to think?


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: pong]
    #7645300 - 11/16/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So this question has nothing to do with age but whether someone who is well prepared but socially we think of him/her not ready despite the facts at hand or someone percieved as ready but is in fact not even close to ready?

I'd give it to the person who is prepared, being the kid.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7645382 - 11/16/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah if the kid's a psychonaut then there really isn't much of an issue, he'll be able to handle it.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: geedorah]
    #7646471 - 11/17/07 12:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I used to work with a kid who started doing shrooms on a regular basis at around the age of 9. I guess his dad was a real big hippy.


You give a 10 year old some salvia, and I don't think there will be much of a long term effect. Sure he may be tripping out for 10 minutes, but when the next day rolls around, I'm sure he/she wouldn't even think about it twice. He wouldn't contemplate the effects of the drug, and or understand what really happened, thus it would just be another thought amongst many in the mind of a 10 year old.


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On getting "fucked up" [Re: g00ru]
    #7646489 - 11/17/07 12:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Firstly, don't we all want this at some level? Even the most spiritual, meaningful, moral, psychedelic experience is, at the root, becoming "fucked up". When we say fucked up, we mean a change from the ordinary. Blowing away what should be, rewriting the rules.

Who's to say one man's fucked is anything less than the next's enlightened. It really all comes down to getting a fresh perspective.

As far as the ten year old thing goes, I think the argument is essentially the same as in the pet thread, where a poster wondered if it was morally acceptable to allow his cat to trip with him.

I'm not going to trash someone who decides to administer psychedelics to pets/children. They may be exceptional subjects who in all likelihood can handle the trip. All I know for sure, is I have yet to meet a fifth grader I would dose.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7646895 - 11/17/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

10 is still considered a developing stage for the brain I believe, so I couldn't really give a 10 year old salvia without feeling like a bad person.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: LbDub]
    #7647157 - 11/17/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Salvia does not stop the brain from physically developing.


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