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Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old?
    #7636672 - 11/14/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

(First off let me say that I'm not going to give salvia to a 10 year old kid, or in no way am I thinking about it)

Now, this 10 year old kid...

* Is a psychonaut
* Has had experience with altered states of mind (not saying drugs for realistic reasons)
* Understands the risks, the effects and precautions of a salvia trip
* Is doing it for the "right reasons" (whatever they may be)
* Is mature and respectful

Or, would you give it to a 20 year old man...

* Is not a psychonaut
* Has had experience with cannabis and alcohol
* Does not completely understand the main effects
* Is not completely respectful nor mature but shows some sympathy
* Unsure of reasons from which he's doing it


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
    #7636683 - 11/14/07 06:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Kids shouldn't trip. Their brains are tiny and malleable. Even a stupid 20 year old has a more mature brain than a genius 10 year old.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7636696 - 11/14/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

how about i keep it and smoke it myself.

10 years old aren't old enough to understand - no matter what. and the 20 year would just be ignorant.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7636708 - 11/14/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think the size of the brain means much of anything.

Malleable? Depends on what you mean. The idea is, the 10 year old kid is the perfect tripper - or somewhat close to it.

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It's hypothetical.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
    #7636718 - 11/14/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No, the size of the brain doesn't mean much. But its stage in development does. A child's brain is incomplete, it still has growing to do. Tampering with its chemical balance and profoundly fucking with a child's frame of reference (which salvia does perhaps above all) are dangerous in the long term.

I'd even say flat no to smoking pot at 10, but salvia's just asking for trouble.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7636744 - 11/14/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ten is too young for any drug, even caffeine IMO.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
    #7636769 - 11/14/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I would give the kid heroin instead.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7636770 - 11/14/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

neither.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: headofmike]
    #7636820 - 11/14/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I plan on smoking a joint with my kid when he/she is around 13 or 14 though.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: headofmike]
    #7636832 - 11/14/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

kids shouldnt do any drugs. If it was a perfect world no caffeine either... They would drink water and have nice nutritious foods... But this isnt a perfect world :frown:


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: implee]
    #7636874 - 11/14/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't let any kid I cared about touch any mind-altering substance until they were at least in their teens. Something like shrooms might set them on the path toward discovery if done at a light dose and in a safe environment. But younger than teens-I wouldn't feel good with that.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
    #7636903 - 11/14/07 07:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'd go with the kid. If he is a psychonaut already, what's the harm? My moral values don't position themselves on others. If this kid has experience with psychedelics above that of a 20 year old, then I would give it to him rather than the 20 year old. Of course the brain is developing, but I don't think me giving an already seasoned psychedelic using 10 year old some salvia would make much impact on him. There are some extremely mature kids, you would be surprised.

On the other hand, giving it to a 20 year old that doesn't know what the hell he's doing, seems like worse things would happen.

Without the limitations of the question though, i would keep it and give it to neither obviously.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7637005 - 11/14/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't take part in permanently altering a 10 year old boy/girl's neurotransmitters. Regardless of who your morals extend to, I hope they at least include respect for the well being of others, especially when your negligence might lead to irreparable damage to them.
The 20 year old idiot isn't a great candidate either.

why present such a question?

You might as well ask if you'd rather have a burglar rape your mother or your sister...


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Serdal]
    #7637018 - 11/14/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Serdal said:
(First off let me say that I'm not going to give salvia to a 10 year old kid, or in no way am I thinking about it)

Now, this 10 year old kid...

* Is a psychonaut
* Has had experience with mind altering states of mind (not saying drugs for realistic reasons)
* Understands the risks, the effects and precautions of a salvia trip
* Is doing it for the "right reasons" (whatever they may be)
* Is mature and respectful

Or, would you give it to a 20 year old man...

* Is not a psychonaut
* Has had experience with cannabis and alcohol
* Does not completely understand the main effects
* Is not completely respectful nor mature but shows some sympathy
* Unsure of reasons from which he's doing it




i say neither


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: bonghittr]
    #7637331 - 11/14/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Obviously the 20 year old. Young kids have intense enough imaginations as is.

Plus, there's the added advantage of watching some half-wit beer-chugging "bro" shit his pants. :thumbup:


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
    #7637345 - 11/14/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Plus, there's the added advantage of watching some half-wit beer-chugging "bro" shit his pants. :thumbup:




HAHA shitting my pants at your comment saucer. I watched a "bro" friend of mine do that . . . not litteraly of course but he did not heed my advice about the power of the shrooms.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: IslandShroomer]
    #7637371 - 11/14/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I vote no. Hell no.

Shit, I didnt read the whole thing. Neither.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: YeagerBomb]
    #7637386 - 11/14/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thinking back to when I was ten...I could have handled it, but I would not have enjoyed it. When you are young you have a very open world paradigm, so they would be less likely to think they are 'going insane' and the potential of a bad trip would be lessened. There would be serious dangers though. A kid would have trouble separating what he sees and thinks on the trip from reality. When you spend half your life in imaginary play anyways it could lead to an 'interesting' set of beliefs.

Its a bad idea but I think it would probably turn out okay, kids have a way of letting things roll of their backs.


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
    #7637468 - 11/14/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Orbital_Saucer said:
Obviously the 20 year old. Young kids have intense enough imaginations as is.

Plus, there's the added advantage of watching some half-wit beer-chugging "bro" shit his pants. :thumbup:




Most certainly. On both points. :thumbup:


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Re: Would you give Salvia Divinorum to a 10 year old? [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7637503 - 11/14/07 09:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Most adults on this forum are terrified from salvia, do you think a ten year old could handle it? I guess it depends on the dose.


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