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Dunking question
    #7636634 - 11/14/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Im confused about when to dunk cakes, Do you dunk after the first harvest, or after the cake is completely spent? also where can I find relevant info about dunking?


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Re: Dunking question [Re: sdaddio]
    #7636653 - 11/14/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

dunk after birthing the cake (birthing is taking the fresh colonized cake out of the jar)

put it into a tupperware full of water, let it sit overnight


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Re: Dunking question [Re: sdaddio]
    #7636664 - 11/14/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

and you can dunk between harvests also, just watch out for contamination or gross shit


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Re: Dunking question [Re: Atheist]
    #7636676 - 11/14/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Is rolling in moist vermiculite a necesity? how long should the cakes be drained before being put back into the fc?


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Re: Dunking question [Re: sdaddio]
    #7636685 - 11/14/07 06:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i always dunk after i take my cakes out of the jars and then after each flush. i usually try for 14-16 hours and never less than 12. so far so good. oh yea, always clean your containers before you put cakes in them. i spray the inside and lid with alcohol and then rinse with HOT water and no cloth/rag/ etc touches the inside of container. never had a contam problem with dunking this way. cheers!


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Re: Dunking question [Re: sdaddio]
    #7636710 - 11/14/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i just remove the cakes and roll them in a paper towel and then in a plate of vermiculite but only if im not too lazy for the roll. it has been my experience that the rolling makes a very small difference with cakes.


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Re: Dunking question [Re: Libertycapper]
    #7636717 - 11/14/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

so just to get all my shit straight. I take the cakes out of the fc, put them into purified water in a starylized tupperware for 12-14 hrs, remove, and put back into the fc. this is done immediatly after birthing and after each harvest.


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Re: Dunking question [Re: sdaddio]
    #7636724 - 11/14/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

u havent had any contam problems by drying with a paper towel?


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Re: Dunking question [Re: sdaddio]
    #7636754 - 11/14/07 06:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i wear disposable gloves. i peel the towel after i already have the cake in my hand and touch it as little as possible. fully colonized cakes dont get molds as quickly as in the preperation process. thats been my experience anyway.


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Re: Dunking question [Re: Libertycapper]
    #7636762 - 11/14/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

so the verm roll isnt totally necisary?


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Re: Dunking question [Re: sdaddio]
    #7637219 - 11/14/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

ok, assuming you are doing PF tek (brown rice flour)

once they are fully colonized, take the cake out of the jar and dunk it like i said previously

take out next morning, run faucet water over the cake to rinse it off then roll it in a bowl of dry verm

it is not totally necessary but if you can do it fucking do it then


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    #7637239 - 11/14/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

alrighty then, Ill do the roll, I should have the extra verm to do it thanks for all the help guys!


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Re: Dunking question [Re: Atheist] * 2
    #7637271 - 11/14/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

let's make this simple.

dunk for 24 hours before each flush.
rinse and roll in dry vermiculite after every dunk.

so after you birth the cakes, rinse them off and dunk them for 24 hours.

after the dunk, rinse them again and roll them in dry vermiculite.
this will produce bigger mushrooms for you, and you want that.

after the first harvest, give the cake a day or three to dry out some.
then rinse it well and dunk it for 24 hours.
after the dunk, rinse it again and roll it in dry vermiculite.

after the second harvest, give the cake a few days to a week to
dry out.  then rinse it well and dunk it for 24 hours.
after the dunk, ... you get the point.

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letting the cake rest, or rather dry out a bit, better imitates nature.
your cake won't do anything for a few days anyway, you're not
losing any time whatsoever doing this, so try it and take some
experienced folks advice.
a substrate will rest, or pause naturally for around a week between
flushes, so it's better to let it dry out to help avoid trichoderma
infection (by not giving it a moist surface to germinate on) for a
few days to a week before you dunk and roll for the next flush.

rinsing the cake before the dunk rinses off any surface mold
spores that landed during fruiting or whatever so the dunk is
done in cleaner water.

we dunk in the fridge NOT to cold shock, but to keep the water
temperature below 40 degrees so bacteria cannot bloom in there.
if you don't dunk in the fridge do so with plenty of ice in the water.
or with running water, but that can get costly with cakes.

we dunk for 24 hours due to the density of the cakes.  bulk substrates
only need a handful or so of hours to dunk, but cakes are far
more dense than bulk subs.  The density of the cakes demands
a long-term dunk such as 24 hours to achieve maximum rehydration.

we rinse after the dunk to rinse off any surface bacteria or mold
that could have started to form in the dunking process and to
make sure the cake is as clean as it can be for the rolling.

we roll in dry vermiculite because it sticks well to the wet cake.
wet vermiculite doesn't stick so well at all.
we roll in vermiculite to increase the water holding capability of
the cake and to provide a sort of casing for the cake.  so the
mycelium shouldn't colonize the vermiculite fully, because then
it would lose it's maximum effectiveness.

we dunk after/before every flush because mushrooms are about
90% water.  that water needs to be replaced in the cake if we
want it to make more mushrooms.  no water equals no mushrooms.
we dunk after birthing because colonization uses up a bunch of
the water that was in the substrate to start with, and that needs
to be replaced for the first flush.


so much for simple, but there are all of your answers.

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Re: Dunking question [Re: monstermitch] * 1
    #7637401 - 11/14/07 09:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

holy shit, thank you so much, that was everything I needed in one post! ill bookmark that, again thanks a lot!


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Re: Dunking question [Re: sdaddio]
    #7642998 - 11/16/07 05:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

and now that it has been answered (with so much detail) no one every ask this question again!¬


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Re: Dunking question [Re: monstermitch]
    #7781898 - 12/20/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Dunking question [Re: Schilderij]
    #7782006 - 12/20/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Dunking question [Re: monstermitch]
    #8277130 - 04/13/08 10:38 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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after the first harvest, give the cake a day or three to dry out some.




Great post, thanks so much. May I ask for clarification on one thing? When you are letting the cakes 'rest' what environmental conditions are best? Just leave it in the terrarium?

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Re: Dunking question [Re: sib321]
    #8661826 - 07/21/08 04:57 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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after the first harvest, give the cake a day or three to dry out some.




Great post, thanks so much. May I ask for clarification on one thing? When you are letting the cakes 'rest' what environmental conditions are best? Just leave it in the terrarium?

Thanks



when u leave the cakes rest(dry out) in between flushes were do u leave them rest(dry out)?


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Re: Dunking question [Re: sniffy]
    #10300506 - 05/07/09 01:19 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Just one question from a first-time grower:

how exactly does one actually preform the dunking in layman's terms? Is it as simple as removing the colonized cake with your hands and placing it in a container of water?


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Re: Dunking question [Re: klondike_bar]
    #10300852 - 05/07/09 05:05 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Just one question from a first-time grower:

how exactly does one actually preform the dunking in layman's terms? Is it as simple as removing the colonized cake with your hands and placing it in a container of water?



Birth your cakes > submerge them in cold water (you can refridgerate or not, it doesn't really matter)> wait 24 hours > take them out and roll em' around in some dry vermiculite > place in FC.


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Re: Dunking question [Re: shroomiin]
    #10310577 - 05/08/09 10:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

so once colonized, the cake is esetially solid/immune to [reasonable] contact?


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Re: Dunking question [Re: klondike_bar]
    #10310922 - 05/08/09 11:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I've always read that thats true, but I've never even seen any contams in my closet except for after the first flush.


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Re: Dunking question [Re: bigsam]
    #10431949 - 05/31/09 08:20 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

OK so another question - say there's a FC set up with four cakes, but they've grown at different rates.  Because of this, it wouldn't be best to harvest them all at the same time.


Before dunking the cake that was just harvested, what is the best way to let it dry out?  The only place to keep it that i can think of would be still in the FC, but that's humid...  Would it be okay to sanitize a glass jar and toss the cake in there for a while? does it need fresh air?


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Re: Dunking question [Re: jingus]
    #10432255 - 05/31/09 09:13 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Also, to give you an idea of what i'm talking about, here are some pics.

I'm not sure at all what to do in terms of harvesting, because some shrooms are growing so differently.




And assuming its best to let the already harvested cake dry out in another chamber, because the FC would be too humid..

What do you all think about this glass jar, its originally for coffee, but seems like it would be the best option.


Please give me any input, theres not too much time, and it is a first time grow - i'd appreciate it


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Re: Dunking question [Re: jingus]
    #10432336 - 05/31/09 09:26 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

The dunk and roll tek is about halfway through this video.  The first part describes the shotgun terrarium.  You can leave your cakes in a shotgun, and just lift them out when you mist.  All the cakes need is a few days of rest, and the next flush will come in stronger after the dunk.  Roll in dry verm before first flush, but not for second and succeeding flushes.

Follow the links from that video to the other three parts, or click here for the brf tek..  I think you'll find them helpful.
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Re: Dunking question [Re: monstermitch]
    #12290197 - 03/28/10 10:53 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Dunking question [Re: monstermitch]
    #14740546 - 07/09/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

In your experience does dunking substantially increase yield? I would imagine it does especially during subsequent flushes. I'm nervous to try though due to the sheer size of the cakes I'm using. (casserole size-no casing, in mono tubs) I have been afraid to open my sterile environment to contams but if it will yield more fruits I am open to adding the extra pain in the neck. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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    #14741153 - 07/09/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm nervous to try though due to the sheer size of the cakes I'm using. (casserole size-no casing, in mono tubs)




pics.

i dont think you really have an entire monotub filled with a BRF/verm mixture.


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Re: Dunking question [Re: k00laid]
    #14742077 - 07/09/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'm using 9x13x3 tubs to colonize bulk sub (dung) with fully colonized rye berries. Once the bulk sub is fully colonized I move it to mono tub for fruiting. I have not been casing. Yield has been about 1.5 dry oz./1st flush with diminishing returns on subsequent flushes. What bothers me is that only 35-45% of the surface area is bearing fruit. Some of the pics I've seen on here are more like 80-90% surface area fruiting. I'm getting beautiful fruits just not a satisfactory number of them. I welcome any critiques or advice. Thanks all.


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    #14742089 - 07/09/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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What bothers me is that only 35-45% of the surface area is bearing fruit.




give the rye berries longer to get their hold on your dung substrate.

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    #15798067 - 02/12/12 02:45 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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    #15798077 - 02/12/12 02:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

ive found this  helpful, time to fruit my 1st babies ever, 1 week of consolodation should be enough for this next step :smile:


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    #20014363 - 05/20/14 11:08 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

i also have a question about dunking. now when i dunk my cakes, im finding that if i dunk for 12 hours or more, my cakes have a funny smell when i take them out of the water. am i soaking for too long? its a bit soury of a smell. im worried maybe i dont need to dunk so long?


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Re: Dunking question [Re: mind0vermind]
    #20014438 - 05/20/14 11:20 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

This is pretty old but whatev yo, I think the standard for the first dunk is 24 hrs or so, that's what I did. And subsequent dunks are 12 hrs. It shouldn't smell funny though so maybe you have a bacterial contam or something. Maybe dunk for less time and see but I do 12 and it's been fine


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Re: Dunking question [Re: mind0vermind]
    #20015679 - 05/20/14 03:56 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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i also have a question about dunking. now when i dunk my cakes, im finding that if i dunk for 12 hours or more, my cakes have a funny smell when i take them out of the water. am i soaking for too long? its a bit soury of a smell. im worried maybe i dont need to dunk so long?



That's normal after a long dunk in room temperature water. Just rinse the cake off good after the dunk. If the smell doesn't go away though or gets worse it could be something more serious.


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