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Coming Full Circle - a little advice?
    #7635986 - 11/14/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hey Guys! Long time reader first time poster. I have a couple questions and I know this post is a little lengthy but bear with me!

I did shrooms for the first time about a month ago. It was one of the most enlightening experiences I have ever had. I made the mistake of doing it again... 2 days later with a bad set and setting and had a terrible trip.

Now, every time I smoke pot sober I get really anxious and feel a lot of anxiety. My vision distorts to what I could call fish-eye vision, sounds a lot like mild derealization. It is pretty uncomfortable. Two times when I smoked a lot, I had flashbacks. I would feel like I'm on shrooms, but the visuals were more like salvia. I do not get anxiety or panic attacks when I smoke after I'm already drunk. When I do get anxious, it usually takes anywhere between 1-5 days to go back to normal (including my vision). Sometimes I get anxious and vision distorts without smoking.

I want to try shrooms again. I feel like the echo from the bad trip is kind of plaguing me. I want to do them next weekend and have a good trip to get past my anxiety. You would think that after a scary experience you wouldn't want to ever do them again, and at first that is the way I felt. But as time went on (even after panic attacks from pot - which has never ever happened before doing shrooms) I still feel like I need to go back and do it right to have peace of mind.

My question to you guys are, does this sound like a sane thing to do? Will my anxiety automatically take over and force a bad trip on me? What kind of things can I do that will help? If smoking pot causes this, will smoking pot during the trip just make it worse or calm me down/take the edge off like it did when I had a good trip? I feel like I should have a good trip to come to terms that it was all set and setting (noting the fact that very few people thought it was a good idea to do it again so soon). Will this just make my anxiety worse even if I have a good trip? What are your experiences?

Thanks guys for your time, and your replies! Keep on!


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: BigRedTree]
    #7636045 - 11/14/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I had a very uncomfortable trip on LSD awhile back. Now, I love LSD, but that uncomfortable experience really shook me. A couple weeks later I bought two hits of acid. I stared at those tiny pieces of blotter paper for a good 10 minutes, thinking about my previous experience, marveling at what the tiny amount of substance on those tiny pieces of paper were capable of. I wasn't sure if I wanted to do it or not. Eventually, I just said fuck it and dropped the blotter under my tongue. I had the greatest trip I have had to date and have loved every experience since.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: BigRedTree]
    #7636051 - 11/14/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i am the same way

trip on pot, that shit is alot more psychedellic then you thought,
runnin around blitted with people that care about you(not always people that are nice to you BTW) is the best way to cure any anxiety, sure you might feel worse at some points, but overall you'll be shaped for the better(tougher?), you can be trippin balls anywhere you want as well, while learnin some interestin shit from people around you.
for me i feel the only way to get rid of weakness is to let it run its course (no thinkin bout it) til knowledge takes a bite out of it altogether(was i blind?)
the harder somethin is the better, so dont take anymore shortcuts with those shrooms, less your doin it for fun, yea that sounds bad but its better then doin it to be perfect, IMO literally NOTHING is PERFECT

this is basically what ive learned as a psychonaut in the past 7months


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Konyap]
    #7636100 - 11/14/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I myself had a horrible trip my last time around. Every time I closed my eyes, I could see blood flowing out of veins, death every where. And when I opened my eyes, the nausea was amplified. It ended up in me throwing up for about ten minutes.

But even still, I absolutely love and respect mushrooms. I realized I was not quite ready for the amount I took, which was only 2.5g's with some orange juice.

Anxiety isn't really a dormant thing, where it's just waiting for you to smoke up or trip. It's just the state of mind your brain has been slid into. A little relaxation, nice set and setting, and you'll exploring the universe inside of you in no time - worry free. Welcome to the Shroomery, as well!
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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: BigRedTree]
    #7636159 - 11/14/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i want to start off by saying that i can only speak from my personal experience. i dont know your background with psychedelics or your personal history. so i am just going to state my stance on bad trips.

i have had many many many psychedelic experiences. some to the point of ecstasy. becoming one with all of creation in a matrix web of love. and i have had some that are filled with fear and panic. Paranoia running the trip and existing in the trip in my head and not in my heart.

that being said there is still not a single trip that i would take back.i have never had an  psychedelic experiace that has not befitted me. Each and every experience has shaped who i am today in a very positive way. in fact i would go ahead and say that the most influential and life changing have been the quote negative trips. i always seem to learn a great deal about my ego and my learned personality traits and in tern are able to work threw those issues over time.

after a negative trip it is extremely scary sometimes to go on another journey. sometimes i have to literally force my self to do it again. i find my self making excuses to put it off ect. but i have always returned to my work with psychedelics and am very glad for that. i have worked threw so many personal issue with the aid of psychedelics and many of my trips have given me great insight into the bad trips that i have had. psychedelics also gave me insight to my spiritual nature and made me see that my own fear and ego trying to hold on caused the bad trips that i had experianced. it tought me to let go.. and letting go is having it all.

i trust psychedelics and also relies that they are not for everyone. but if you are feeling a calling to try again you might want to consider it.

just my opinion

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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: lsd25icu812]
    #7636183 - 11/14/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You may be traumatized from having a bad tripping experience, but it is important for you to realize that not only is your own mind the cause of this problem, but also the only solution. Free yourself of the fear you once had, and you will free yourself of the anxiety and panic that worries you now.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7636243 - 11/14/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: lsd25icu812]
    #7636321 - 11/14/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i used to smoke weed daily, then one day I found it made me nervous, I think it was the work - too stressed to enjoy the grass. any extra layers and I would get tense and paranoid.
but I found the lsd and shrooms were smooth.
smooth ramp up - smooth run accross time - smooth settlement down.
I keep my dose low to moderate.
I could do it any moment with relish.
but I still avoid grass - never had a relaxed time with weed since 1984.
as for good trip/bad trip... always keep working at opening to what's happenning. it can be hard or easy, never bad.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: BigRedTree]
    #7636329 - 11/14/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Now, every time I smoke pot sober I get really anxious and feel a lot of anxiety. My vision distorts to what I could call fish-eye vision, sounds a lot like mild derealization. It is pretty uncomfortable. Two times when I smoked a lot, I had flashbacks. I would feel like I'm on shrooms, but the visuals were more like salvia. I do not get anxiety or panic attacks when I smoke after I'm already drunk. When I do get anxious, it usually takes anywhere between 1-5 days to go back to normal (including my vision). Sometimes I get anxious and vision distorts without smoking.





You, my friend, have made marijuana a powerful psychedelic. How did you do this? By tripping on mushrooms! You taught your mind how to understand the psychedelic, how to perceive the psychedelic. In other words, you taught your mind how to "read" a psychedelic. Marijuana has a psychedelic potential; however, most people need to awaken this psychedelic potential in order to make marijuana psychedelic. You have done this, and now, marijuana will never be the same. Every time you smoke, you will most likely be tossed into a full blown psychedelic experience. It only takes one hit for me.

When you smoked marijuana, you didn't have a flashback. You didn't have a salvia flashback/trip. You didn't have a mushroom flashback/trip. You had a marijuana trip! This will continue to happen every time you smoke marijuana because your mind knows how to "read" a psychedelic.

You are smart, and that, my friend, is why all of these changes are occurring in your life. Some people will have a mushroom trip, and then smoke marijuana, and not trip. Why? Because these people are a bit stupid. In other words, their minds are not as capable as your's is when it comes to perceiving the psychedelic.

A bit of advice: Don't smoke. Marijuana is now a psychedelic for you, so you need to treat it like a psychedelic. I treat each and every one of my trips as if they were gold, and I only trip on the psychedelics that I tend to learn a lot from. Marijuana is not a very good teacher for me. It makes me anxious and nervous, too. Therefore, I trip on mushrooms and DMT because I seem to learn the most from them.

Hope this helps! :smile:


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Feanor]
    #7636343 - 11/14/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

^That's very, very opinionated. Every time I trip, weed becomes pretty psychedelic, but it definitely goes away for me after a few days or weeks.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7636364 - 11/14/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What's opinionated about it?


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Feanor]
    #7636440 - 11/14/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

How about the part where you said that if taking a psychedelic doesn't make weed strongly psychedelic for someone, they're stupid/have a less able mind? Just because marijuana become psychedelic for some people after tripping doesn't mean it's true for everyone. As I said it happens to me, just temporarily. According to you, that means my mind is less able than yours. I'd consider that opinionated.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7636577 - 11/14/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

well if you're scared and anxious about tripping, then why trip at all? being pre-anxious and scared means you're a lot more likely to have a bad trip again.

just wait until you're more comfortable with the fact of tripping, and give yourself some time to get more confident that you will have a good trip next time.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7636700 - 11/14/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Ness1 said:
How about the part where you said that if taking a psychedelic doesn't make weed strongly psychedelic for someone, they're stupid/have a less able mind? Just because marijuana become psychedelic for some people after tripping doesn't mean it's true for everyone. As I said it happens to me, just temporarily. According to you, that means my mind is less able than yours. I'd consider that opinionated.




Jesus... :rolleyes:

Psychedelically smarter is what I meant. Some people are book smart, while others aren't. If you are more capable than others when it comes to memorizing material, then you are smarter than they are in terms of being book smart. If you can perceive the psychedelic better than other people, then you are smarter than they are in terms of being psychedelically smart.

If two people of the same weight take 3.5 grams of mushrooms, then the experience that each of them has will determine which one is psychedelically smarter. If one of the trippers has an Ego Loss and the other tripper only sees a red dot on a wall, then it is common sense (non-opinionated) to conclude that the person who had the Ego Loss is smarter, psychedelically smarter, than the person who saw the red dot.

You need to look up some of Yageman's posts.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Feanor]
    #7636743 - 11/14/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There are about a hundred thousand variables that could influence someone's psychedelic experience. You're using logic similar to the people who think that different batches of LSD produce different effects aside from differing dosages. The psychedelic experience is far too subjective to pin it down like that.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7636815 - 11/14/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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You're using logic similar to the people who think that different batches of LSD produce different effects aside from differing dosages.



Different batches of LSD do produce different effects, my friend! There are too many inexperienced individuals who constantly say, "A cube is a cube is a cube." Well, this is wrong as well! Come on, man...
Have you ever tried different batches of acid?
I have. I know some psychonauts who are far more experienced than myself, and they would never say that different batches of acid give off the same effect.
That's like saying Pizza Hut tastes exactly the same as Dominoes.
You seem like a cool guy, but you do have some stuff to learn.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Feanor]
    #7636827 - 11/14/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

LSD-25 = LSD-25. If your blotter really is acid, theres only a few things that can be on it. Unreacted reagents (not likely to be active in microgram doses), iso-LSD (not active), and LSD-25. So, which one of those is going to produce different effects?


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7636865 - 11/14/07 06:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You're too preoccupied with the natural sciences.

LSD is extremely complicated to make; there are many steps involved in the process. If a chemist performs one of these numerous steps a bit differently than another chemist does, then his batch of acid will give off a different effect than the other chemist's batch. Really, there's no one right way to make LSD, just as there's no one right way to grow mushrooms, no one right way to ride a bike, no one right way to live life, etc.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Feanor]
    #7636880 - 11/14/07 06:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Do you have any actual proof of that? What other active chemicals might be produced during synthesis? Are there even any? I just don't see how it is possible. There are very few chemicals active in microgram doses.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7636959 - 11/14/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Personally, no, I don't. I mean, that's like asking somebody to determine the ratio of psyilocybin to psilocin to baeocystin to norbaeocystin in P. Cubensis Cambodia, and then asking them to determine the ratio in P. Cubensis B+. There will be a difference, but people just don't bother determining all of these differences in a naturally induced scientific setting because it is unneccessary, and, well, it is a bit understood (common sense).

Try it out one of these days. Get some LSD from one chemist, and then, get some LSD from another chemist. Dose one day, and then, dose the next day with the other acid. Take the same amount. You'll notice a difference.

But hey, this thread is supposed to be about helping this chap with his life, and we have gotten a little bit off topic! If you want to continue the convo, shoot me a pm..


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Feanor]
    #7637327 - 11/14/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

longbottom_leaf said:
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Information about weed being a psychedelic




Would a higher IQ have anything to do with it? As in, being able to understand the psychedelic?

I know that people with higher IQ's, their brain functions somewhat differently.
Hmm...


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: adrian7812]
    #7637552 - 11/14/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks guys!

I appreciate your posts. If I have "unlocked" the potential in pot, I guess I'll start treating it that way. And if I I want to get just "stoned," I suppose I'll get drunk first.

So obviously if my vision and anxiety can come and go with or without smoking, I should be able to control it, right? I feel like if I just started taking xanax all the time or other medications I would be missing the point of overcoming the issues I've unlocked, and instead just pushing them back with medication.

I think the reason I get anxiety when I smoke is because the effects I feel (sometimes I don't outright "trip") arn't what I normally expect from pot. So I start to get scared. If I go into it thinking it is going to be a trip, I should be ok?

My father for sure, and possibly his father (we will never know, he committed suicide) are both bipolar. Should this be taken into account as I am probably genetically pre-disposed to it? Granted, I've grown up in a completely different environment then both of them, which I think contributes to the disorder.

In any case, I'm getting off track. I already bought 1/4 of cubensis for me and a friend who is trying them for the first time. Its never too late to back out until I've already eaten them.

I'm thinking about letting my friend take a full 1/8th (I did the first time and it was amazing) and taking a 1/2 an 8th myself. If I feel like I need more I can always redose.

Comments, advice?

Again, thanks for your input guys, I really appreciate it!

PS - My friend has actually taken 3 hits of acid tonight and says that is a much easier trip than shrooms. Trying not to take this thread too far off topic, what do you think about this?


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: BigRedTree]
    #7637779 - 11/14/07 11:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Here's how I see shrooms vs. acid in regards to somebody taking a psychedelic for their first time. IME, you have much less control over a mushroom trip than an acid trip. The shrooms tend to take you where they want. IMO, this is a better intro to psychs than LSD because the amount of control over the trip that LSD grants, while wonderful for an experienced tripper, could completely backfire upon someone tripping for their first time. I'm not saying that it is likely to happen or anything, just that it means that an acid trip has a higher chance of going wrong than a mushroom trip for a first timer.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Feanor]
    #7637991 - 11/15/07 12:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Stop smoking or doing anything for a few months and it will go away, but as long as you keep smoking it will probably continue. You get flash backs which means you are probably always going to no matter what. It happens to me too. I have smoked much less and gone through long periods of not smoking at all since I started tripping because it is really a completely different experience for me now. However, if you want it to go back to normal. Stop smoking for 3-6 (maybe as little as 1 I don't really know) months and don't do shrooms again. If you do do them again then expect the same sorta thing.

Now if you dont mind weed being very different and want to do shrooms again (this is what I did, I have pretty much given up pot actually and it is totally worth it imo) then weed is gonna continue to be different for you. If you keep doing them and build a positive experience then you will probably start flashing back to that rather than the bad one which is more tolerable.

I don't know that this is the problem but it sounds exactly like what happened to me and this is how I have dealt with it.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: JstHereFrTheCake]
    #7638002 - 11/15/07 12:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have to say that I have experienced the same exact things.
I can only smoke pot if I have dumbed down my brain with alcohol.
Otherwise I trip pretty damn hard on weed.
I fucking hate alcohol for the most part too unless I have drank enough of it.

Nervousness is nothing compared to anxiety attacks.
You really can fuck your brain with these psychedelics. There is no way around this fact.
I hope you never have to experience a sober and full blow anxiety attack just because you were careless with your organic brain and changed the systems within for the worse.

Just be careful, and you probably shouldnt smoke any weed while tripping unless you indend on raising your heart rate and might possibly end up fearing for your life.
A true anxiety attack on psychedelics usually ends up to be a positive thing as long as you are physically healthy.
Im not talking about anxiety about your life/self necessarily either.
The physical symptoms are obvious and any psychological cause is ambiguous at times.

As for your last question.
LSD is smoother for me and always has been unless on a high dose.

If you want to test the waters again, you might as well use lsd, because any trip may be your last time.
Pot will likely never be the same for you no matter what you do.

You dont want your brain to learn how to mimick the physical effects of true anxiety via hallucinogens when sober.
I gained so much from psychedelics, but I accidentally aquired the wiring that allows me to panic, because I learned about true panic and death during some of my greatest experiences.
When I get stoned I can access that strange place, just like how I can access psychedelic states.

Youre fucking with your hard wiring at this point as if thats not toally obvious.
It can go either way.

Take it seriously as it is a very serious thing to do with your brain.
Find the right time.
No more fucking around is what I think its telling you.

You have to be willing to trip balls on weed when you smoke it, or have nervous/anxiety stricken reactions.
You can learn how to fix these things with or without drugs.

If you dont use it you loose it.
And if pot bothers you all of a sudden(already), then I hope you can loose it or bipass/fix these cognitive maps.
More psychedelics can help or hurt you.

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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: yageman]
    #7638846 - 11/15/07 10:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have to agree with Yage here.

I'm the exact same way. I can't enjoy weed 95% of the time unless I'm already drinking. It started fairly suddenly in my late twenties.

I had my first full blown sober panic attack when I was 29. Pretty much like a hard salvia or dmt breakthrough in the sense that words can't really describe it. If you have never had one then you can't imagine it. They can hit you anytime anywhere without any warning. I did after a while get to where I could sense one coming and avoid or reduce it but that while was something else. The anxiety has a tendency to stick around even when the panic attacks are avoided. It's territory that you don't want to venture into.

Once your mind learns to do that it doesn't forget. You may eventually learn to live with it. You may not. Whatever you do be careful about it. Especially where substances that affect your serotonin levels are concerned.

Anxiety/panic disorder is often a result of or is aggravated by alcohol problems as well. That's a real sticky trap.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7639147 - 11/15/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Its nice to know that other people experience pot the same way I do since tripping. The reality is I've had plenty of opportunities to smoke and I just turn them down because I don't really enjoy it anymore.

Even after my bad trip last time, there just seems to be something in me that feels like I should go back and trip correctly. I'm struggling with myself with two different voices, "I keep reading up on trips, etc, and I am still very interested in it even though I had a bad trip and want to do it right to prove it to myself" and "I shouldn't do this again, what if I have a bad trip? What if I screw my brain up?"

I feel like if I have a good trip, I will probably be fine. If I have a bad trip, no one can really know the adverse side effects. It is fairly obvious that tripping has rewired my brain a little bit.

The replies I'm getting seem very educated and wise. The only thing I seem to be missing is a "yes" or "no" answer with a reason. Is this issue too gray to do that?

Again, I appreciate your time and replies!


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: BigRedTree]
    #7639178 - 11/15/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

IMO, you should trip again because if you don't you may well regret it. LOTS of people have bad trips. It is par for the course when you take psychedelics. If you take psychedelics, you're likely to have a bad trip sooner or later. It doesn't mean you're doomed to bad trips for the rest of forever. I had a bad trip and still <3 LSD


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7640856 - 11/15/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I always thought that after tripping on mushrooms that all my marijuana experiences after had been altered. It really is like tripping. I literally do get visual distorsions if I smoke a good amount. I just kinda dismissed it and thought I was overanalyzing what was going on... but now that you are all saying that it can happen... I'm gunna have to rethink some things now...


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: boletusoftruth]
    #7641472 - 11/15/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've smoked on LSD, and it did seem to influence the effects that I felt when I would just smoke pot, but this only residually lasted for a few days after the experience, and eventually I returned to the pot experience that I've grown used to. I really wish there was more research done on this.

Here's how we think LSD actually works in the brain:

LSD, by itself, has a chemical structure very similar to seratonin, which allows it to attach to the synapses to which seratonin normally binds. Primarily, it acts upon the raphe system, which in turn affects the limbic system, which controls many emotional and visual responses. Usually part of the raphe system acts upon inhibitory neurons which suppress certain external stimuli considered to be unimportant to the conscious brain, and LSD is thought to suppress these inhibitory neurons, thus allowing that information not normally available to the conscious mind to be available. Furthermore, it is also believed to act upon the locus coeruleus, which seems to control how we react to "new" objects. This might explain why LSD causes a sort of reawakening of that sense of wonder that we have as children, where everything seems interesting and exciting.

Pot is very very different and acts mostly on the cannabinoid receptors, causing a release of dopamine in the brain.

The only reason I can think of why pot might cause LSD-like symptoms to reemerge would be our brains linking the two experiences to the point where pot would cause the brain to mimic LSD's effects, simply because it's learned to relate pot with LSD somehow. There's no real physical similarity between the modes of action of the two drugs, and they're actually pretty different, so I would think that this effect would, in essence, simply be your brain bringing the effects upon itself. I wish there was more research on the subject, but there isn't, so we're forced to draw our own conclusions.

Like I said, I've experiences something similar, and it did go away in a few days, so I certainly think it's something that you can overcome. How exactly that can be done, though, is something that I'm really not sure of.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: adrian7812]
    #7641666 - 11/15/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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longbottom_leaf said:
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Information about weed being a psychedelic




Would a higher IQ have anything to do with it? As in, being able to understand the psychedelic?

I know that people with higher IQ's, their brain functions somewhat differently.
Hmm...




Yes, it could very well have something to do with it. However, just because somebody has a high IQ, doesn't mean that they are psychedelically smart. Yet, I would say that the majority of individuals who have high IQ's are psychedelically smart.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7641703 - 11/15/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

weed is so relaxing sometimes.... :rainbowcloud:


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: BigRedTree]
    #7641707 - 11/15/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I think the reason I get anxiety when I smoke is because the effects I feel (sometimes I don't outright "trip") arn't what I normally expect from pot. So I start to get scared. If I go into it thinking it is going to be a trip, I should be ok?




Belief, which is what your thought will turn into, is extremely powerful. If you take a psychedelic and you believe that you will have the most profound experience in the world, then you will. If you take a psychedelic and you believe that you will go insane and receive a few holes in your brain, then you will!

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Should this be taken into account as I am probably genetically pre-disposed to it?



Yes, it should be taken into account. Most people would advise you not to trip, but I'd say otherwise. Most people would get on my case for this, but hey, if you feel that you can handle it, then go for it. Just because you have a mental disease, doesn't mean you shouldn't trip. Personally, I believe that the mentally impaired (in accordance to western civilization) are the most psychedelic among us, for they are the true transcenders.

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PS - My friend has actually taken 3 hits of acid tonight and says that is a much easier trip than shrooms. Trying not to take this thread too far off topic, what do you think about this?



You'll hear the old saying numerous times, "Say that you are in a car. When you are on LSD, you are the driver. When you are on Mushrooms, you are the passenger."
This saying holds a lot of truth in it. Most people find acid a lot easier than mushrooms.
Your friend speaks the truth.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: adrian7812]
    #7641718 - 11/15/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Bleh - repost by accident. Sorry!


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Edited by Feanor (11/15/07 08:33 PM)


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