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Offlineadrian7812
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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Feanor]
    #7637327 - 11/14/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Information about weed being a psychedelic




Would a higher IQ have anything to do with it? As in, being able to understand the psychedelic?

I know that people with higher IQ's, their brain functions somewhat differently.
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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: adrian7812]
    #7637552 - 11/14/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks guys!

I appreciate your posts. If I have "unlocked" the potential in pot, I guess I'll start treating it that way. And if I I want to get just "stoned," I suppose I'll get drunk first.

So obviously if my vision and anxiety can come and go with or without smoking, I should be able to control it, right? I feel like if I just started taking xanax all the time or other medications I would be missing the point of overcoming the issues I've unlocked, and instead just pushing them back with medication.

I think the reason I get anxiety when I smoke is because the effects I feel (sometimes I don't outright "trip") arn't what I normally expect from pot. So I start to get scared. If I go into it thinking it is going to be a trip, I should be ok?

My father for sure, and possibly his father (we will never know, he committed suicide) are both bipolar. Should this be taken into account as I am probably genetically pre-disposed to it? Granted, I've grown up in a completely different environment then both of them, which I think contributes to the disorder.

In any case, I'm getting off track. I already bought 1/4 of cubensis for me and a friend who is trying them for the first time. Its never too late to back out until I've already eaten them.

I'm thinking about letting my friend take a full 1/8th (I did the first time and it was amazing) and taking a 1/2 an 8th myself. If I feel like I need more I can always redose.

Comments, advice?

Again, thanks for your input guys, I really appreciate it!

PS - My friend has actually taken 3 hits of acid tonight and says that is a much easier trip than shrooms. Trying not to take this thread too far off topic, what do you think about this?


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: BigRedTree]
    #7637779 - 11/14/07 11:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Here's how I see shrooms vs. acid in regards to somebody taking a psychedelic for their first time. IME, you have much less control over a mushroom trip than an acid trip. The shrooms tend to take you where they want. IMO, this is a better intro to psychs than LSD because the amount of control over the trip that LSD grants, while wonderful for an experienced tripper, could completely backfire upon someone tripping for their first time. I'm not saying that it is likely to happen or anything, just that it means that an acid trip has a higher chance of going wrong than a mushroom trip for a first timer.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Feanor]
    #7637991 - 11/15/07 12:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Stop smoking or doing anything for a few months and it will go away, but as long as you keep smoking it will probably continue. You get flash backs which means you are probably always going to no matter what. It happens to me too. I have smoked much less and gone through long periods of not smoking at all since I started tripping because it is really a completely different experience for me now. However, if you want it to go back to normal. Stop smoking for 3-6 (maybe as little as 1 I don't really know) months and don't do shrooms again. If you do do them again then expect the same sorta thing.

Now if you dont mind weed being very different and want to do shrooms again (this is what I did, I have pretty much given up pot actually and it is totally worth it imo) then weed is gonna continue to be different for you. If you keep doing them and build a positive experience then you will probably start flashing back to that rather than the bad one which is more tolerable.

I don't know that this is the problem but it sounds exactly like what happened to me and this is how I have dealt with it.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: JstHereFrTheCake]
    #7638002 - 11/15/07 12:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have to say that I have experienced the same exact things.
I can only smoke pot if I have dumbed down my brain with alcohol.
Otherwise I trip pretty damn hard on weed.
I fucking hate alcohol for the most part too unless I have drank enough of it.

Nervousness is nothing compared to anxiety attacks.
You really can fuck your brain with these psychedelics. There is no way around this fact.
I hope you never have to experience a sober and full blow anxiety attack just because you were careless with your organic brain and changed the systems within for the worse.

Just be careful, and you probably shouldnt smoke any weed while tripping unless you indend on raising your heart rate and might possibly end up fearing for your life.
A true anxiety attack on psychedelics usually ends up to be a positive thing as long as you are physically healthy.
Im not talking about anxiety about your life/self necessarily either.
The physical symptoms are obvious and any psychological cause is ambiguous at times.

As for your last question.
LSD is smoother for me and always has been unless on a high dose.

If you want to test the waters again, you might as well use lsd, because any trip may be your last time.
Pot will likely never be the same for you no matter what you do.

You dont want your brain to learn how to mimick the physical effects of true anxiety via hallucinogens when sober.
I gained so much from psychedelics, but I accidentally aquired the wiring that allows me to panic, because I learned about true panic and death during some of my greatest experiences.
When I get stoned I can access that strange place, just like how I can access psychedelic states.

Youre fucking with your hard wiring at this point as if thats not toally obvious.
It can go either way.

Take it seriously as it is a very serious thing to do with your brain.
Find the right time.
No more fucking around is what I think its telling you.

You have to be willing to trip balls on weed when you smoke it, or have nervous/anxiety stricken reactions.
You can learn how to fix these things with or without drugs.

If you dont use it you loose it.
And if pot bothers you all of a sudden(already), then I hope you can loose it or bipass/fix these cognitive maps.
More psychedelics can help or hurt you.

Thats why they aint no fuckin joke.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: yageman]
    #7638846 - 11/15/07 10:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have to agree with Yage here.

I'm the exact same way. I can't enjoy weed 95% of the time unless I'm already drinking. It started fairly suddenly in my late twenties.

I had my first full blown sober panic attack when I was 29. Pretty much like a hard salvia or dmt breakthrough in the sense that words can't really describe it. If you have never had one then you can't imagine it. They can hit you anytime anywhere without any warning. I did after a while get to where I could sense one coming and avoid or reduce it but that while was something else. The anxiety has a tendency to stick around even when the panic attacks are avoided. It's territory that you don't want to venture into.

Once your mind learns to do that it doesn't forget. You may eventually learn to live with it. You may not. Whatever you do be careful about it. Especially where substances that affect your serotonin levels are concerned.

Anxiety/panic disorder is often a result of or is aggravated by alcohol problems as well. That's a real sticky trap.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7639147 - 11/15/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Its nice to know that other people experience pot the same way I do since tripping. The reality is I've had plenty of opportunities to smoke and I just turn them down because I don't really enjoy it anymore.

Even after my bad trip last time, there just seems to be something in me that feels like I should go back and trip correctly. I'm struggling with myself with two different voices, "I keep reading up on trips, etc, and I am still very interested in it even though I had a bad trip and want to do it right to prove it to myself" and "I shouldn't do this again, what if I have a bad trip? What if I screw my brain up?"

I feel like if I have a good trip, I will probably be fine. If I have a bad trip, no one can really know the adverse side effects. It is fairly obvious that tripping has rewired my brain a little bit.

The replies I'm getting seem very educated and wise. The only thing I seem to be missing is a "yes" or "no" answer with a reason. Is this issue too gray to do that?

Again, I appreciate your time and replies!


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: BigRedTree]
    #7639178 - 11/15/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

IMO, you should trip again because if you don't you may well regret it. LOTS of people have bad trips. It is par for the course when you take psychedelics. If you take psychedelics, you're likely to have a bad trip sooner or later. It doesn't mean you're doomed to bad trips for the rest of forever. I had a bad trip and still <3 LSD


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7640856 - 11/15/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I always thought that after tripping on mushrooms that all my marijuana experiences after had been altered. It really is like tripping. I literally do get visual distorsions if I smoke a good amount. I just kinda dismissed it and thought I was overanalyzing what was going on... but now that you are all saying that it can happen... I'm gunna have to rethink some things now...


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: boletusoftruth]
    #7641472 - 11/15/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've smoked on LSD, and it did seem to influence the effects that I felt when I would just smoke pot, but this only residually lasted for a few days after the experience, and eventually I returned to the pot experience that I've grown used to. I really wish there was more research done on this.

Here's how we think LSD actually works in the brain:

LSD, by itself, has a chemical structure very similar to seratonin, which allows it to attach to the synapses to which seratonin normally binds. Primarily, it acts upon the raphe system, which in turn affects the limbic system, which controls many emotional and visual responses. Usually part of the raphe system acts upon inhibitory neurons which suppress certain external stimuli considered to be unimportant to the conscious brain, and LSD is thought to suppress these inhibitory neurons, thus allowing that information not normally available to the conscious mind to be available. Furthermore, it is also believed to act upon the locus coeruleus, which seems to control how we react to "new" objects. This might explain why LSD causes a sort of reawakening of that sense of wonder that we have as children, where everything seems interesting and exciting.

Pot is very very different and acts mostly on the cannabinoid receptors, causing a release of dopamine in the brain.

The only reason I can think of why pot might cause LSD-like symptoms to reemerge would be our brains linking the two experiences to the point where pot would cause the brain to mimic LSD's effects, simply because it's learned to relate pot with LSD somehow. There's no real physical similarity between the modes of action of the two drugs, and they're actually pretty different, so I would think that this effect would, in essence, simply be your brain bringing the effects upon itself. I wish there was more research on the subject, but there isn't, so we're forced to draw our own conclusions.

Like I said, I've experiences something similar, and it did go away in a few days, so I certainly think it's something that you can overcome. How exactly that can be done, though, is something that I'm really not sure of.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: adrian7812]
    #7641666 - 11/15/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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adrian7812 said:
longbottom_leaf said:
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Information about weed being a psychedelic




Would a higher IQ have anything to do with it? As in, being able to understand the psychedelic?

I know that people with higher IQ's, their brain functions somewhat differently.
Hmm...




Yes, it could very well have something to do with it. However, just because somebody has a high IQ, doesn't mean that they are psychedelically smart. Yet, I would say that the majority of individuals who have high IQ's are psychedelically smart.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7641703 - 11/15/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

weed is so relaxing sometimes.... :rainbowcloud:


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: BigRedTree]
    #7641707 - 11/15/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I think the reason I get anxiety when I smoke is because the effects I feel (sometimes I don't outright "trip") arn't what I normally expect from pot. So I start to get scared. If I go into it thinking it is going to be a trip, I should be ok?




Belief, which is what your thought will turn into, is extremely powerful. If you take a psychedelic and you believe that you will have the most profound experience in the world, then you will. If you take a psychedelic and you believe that you will go insane and receive a few holes in your brain, then you will!

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Should this be taken into account as I am probably genetically pre-disposed to it?



Yes, it should be taken into account. Most people would advise you not to trip, but I'd say otherwise. Most people would get on my case for this, but hey, if you feel that you can handle it, then go for it. Just because you have a mental disease, doesn't mean you shouldn't trip. Personally, I believe that the mentally impaired (in accordance to western civilization) are the most psychedelic among us, for they are the true transcenders.

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PS - My friend has actually taken 3 hits of acid tonight and says that is a much easier trip than shrooms. Trying not to take this thread too far off topic, what do you think about this?



You'll hear the old saying numerous times, "Say that you are in a car. When you are on LSD, you are the driver. When you are on Mushrooms, you are the passenger."
This saying holds a lot of truth in it. Most people find acid a lot easier than mushrooms.
Your friend speaks the truth.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: adrian7812]
    #7641718 - 11/15/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Bleh - repost by accident. Sorry!


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