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OfflineBigRedTree
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Coming Full Circle - a little advice?
    #7635986 - 11/14/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hey Guys! Long time reader first time poster. I have a couple questions and I know this post is a little lengthy but bear with me!

I did shrooms for the first time about a month ago. It was one of the most enlightening experiences I have ever had. I made the mistake of doing it again... 2 days later with a bad set and setting and had a terrible trip.

Now, every time I smoke pot sober I get really anxious and feel a lot of anxiety. My vision distorts to what I could call fish-eye vision, sounds a lot like mild derealization. It is pretty uncomfortable. Two times when I smoked a lot, I had flashbacks. I would feel like I'm on shrooms, but the visuals were more like salvia. I do not get anxiety or panic attacks when I smoke after I'm already drunk. When I do get anxious, it usually takes anywhere between 1-5 days to go back to normal (including my vision). Sometimes I get anxious and vision distorts without smoking.

I want to try shrooms again. I feel like the echo from the bad trip is kind of plaguing me. I want to do them next weekend and have a good trip to get past my anxiety. You would think that after a scary experience you wouldn't want to ever do them again, and at first that is the way I felt. But as time went on (even after panic attacks from pot - which has never ever happened before doing shrooms) I still feel like I need to go back and do it right to have peace of mind.

My question to you guys are, does this sound like a sane thing to do? Will my anxiety automatically take over and force a bad trip on me? What kind of things can I do that will help? If smoking pot causes this, will smoking pot during the trip just make it worse or calm me down/take the edge off like it did when I had a good trip? I feel like I should have a good trip to come to terms that it was all set and setting (noting the fact that very few people thought it was a good idea to do it again so soon). Will this just make my anxiety worse even if I have a good trip? What are your experiences?

Thanks guys for your time, and your replies! Keep on!


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: BigRedTree]
    #7636045 - 11/14/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I had a very uncomfortable trip on LSD awhile back. Now, I love LSD, but that uncomfortable experience really shook me. A couple weeks later I bought two hits of acid. I stared at those tiny pieces of blotter paper for a good 10 minutes, thinking about my previous experience, marveling at what the tiny amount of substance on those tiny pieces of paper were capable of. I wasn't sure if I wanted to do it or not. Eventually, I just said fuck it and dropped the blotter under my tongue. I had the greatest trip I have had to date and have loved every experience since.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: BigRedTree]
    #7636051 - 11/14/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i am the same way

trip on pot, that shit is alot more psychedellic then you thought,
runnin around blitted with people that care about you(not always people that are nice to you BTW) is the best way to cure any anxiety, sure you might feel worse at some points, but overall you'll be shaped for the better(tougher?), you can be trippin balls anywhere you want as well, while learnin some interestin shit from people around you.
for me i feel the only way to get rid of weakness is to let it run its course (no thinkin bout it) til knowledge takes a bite out of it altogether(was i blind?)
the harder somethin is the better, so dont take anymore shortcuts with those shrooms, less your doin it for fun, yea that sounds bad but its better then doin it to be perfect, IMO literally NOTHING is PERFECT

this is basically what ive learned as a psychonaut in the past 7months


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Konyap]
    #7636100 - 11/14/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I myself had a horrible trip my last time around. Every time I closed my eyes, I could see blood flowing out of veins, death every where. And when I opened my eyes, the nausea was amplified. It ended up in me throwing up for about ten minutes.

But even still, I absolutely love and respect mushrooms. I realized I was not quite ready for the amount I took, which was only 2.5g's with some orange juice.

Anxiety isn't really a dormant thing, where it's just waiting for you to smoke up or trip. It's just the state of mind your brain has been slid into. A little relaxation, nice set and setting, and you'll exploring the universe inside of you in no time - worry free. Welcome to the Shroomery, as well!
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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: BigRedTree]
    #7636159 - 11/14/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i want to start off by saying that i can only speak from my personal experience. i dont know your background with psychedelics or your personal history. so i am just going to state my stance on bad trips.

i have had many many many psychedelic experiences. some to the point of ecstasy. becoming one with all of creation in a matrix web of love. and i have had some that are filled with fear and panic. Paranoia running the trip and existing in the trip in my head and not in my heart.

that being said there is still not a single trip that i would take back.i have never had an  psychedelic experiace that has not befitted me. Each and every experience has shaped who i am today in a very positive way. in fact i would go ahead and say that the most influential and life changing have been the quote negative trips. i always seem to learn a great deal about my ego and my learned personality traits and in tern are able to work threw those issues over time.

after a negative trip it is extremely scary sometimes to go on another journey. sometimes i have to literally force my self to do it again. i find my self making excuses to put it off ect. but i have always returned to my work with psychedelics and am very glad for that. i have worked threw so many personal issue with the aid of psychedelics and many of my trips have given me great insight into the bad trips that i have had. psychedelics also gave me insight to my spiritual nature and made me see that my own fear and ego trying to hold on caused the bad trips that i had experianced. it tought me to let go.. and letting go is having it all.

i trust psychedelics and also relies that they are not for everyone. but if you are feeling a calling to try again you might want to consider it.

just my opinion

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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: lsd25icu812]
    #7636183 - 11/14/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You may be traumatized from having a bad tripping experience, but it is important for you to realize that not only is your own mind the cause of this problem, but also the only solution. Free yourself of the fear you once had, and you will free yourself of the anxiety and panic that worries you now.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7636243 - 11/14/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

wurd


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: lsd25icu812]
    #7636321 - 11/14/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i used to smoke weed daily, then one day I found it made me nervous, I think it was the work - too stressed to enjoy the grass. any extra layers and I would get tense and paranoid.
but I found the lsd and shrooms were smooth.
smooth ramp up - smooth run accross time - smooth settlement down.
I keep my dose low to moderate.
I could do it any moment with relish.
but I still avoid grass - never had a relaxed time with weed since 1984.
as for good trip/bad trip... always keep working at opening to what's happenning. it can be hard or easy, never bad.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: BigRedTree]
    #7636329 - 11/14/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Now, every time I smoke pot sober I get really anxious and feel a lot of anxiety. My vision distorts to what I could call fish-eye vision, sounds a lot like mild derealization. It is pretty uncomfortable. Two times when I smoked a lot, I had flashbacks. I would feel like I'm on shrooms, but the visuals were more like salvia. I do not get anxiety or panic attacks when I smoke after I'm already drunk. When I do get anxious, it usually takes anywhere between 1-5 days to go back to normal (including my vision). Sometimes I get anxious and vision distorts without smoking.





You, my friend, have made marijuana a powerful psychedelic. How did you do this? By tripping on mushrooms! You taught your mind how to understand the psychedelic, how to perceive the psychedelic. In other words, you taught your mind how to "read" a psychedelic. Marijuana has a psychedelic potential; however, most people need to awaken this psychedelic potential in order to make marijuana psychedelic. You have done this, and now, marijuana will never be the same. Every time you smoke, you will most likely be tossed into a full blown psychedelic experience. It only takes one hit for me.

When you smoked marijuana, you didn't have a flashback. You didn't have a salvia flashback/trip. You didn't have a mushroom flashback/trip. You had a marijuana trip! This will continue to happen every time you smoke marijuana because your mind knows how to "read" a psychedelic.

You are smart, and that, my friend, is why all of these changes are occurring in your life. Some people will have a mushroom trip, and then smoke marijuana, and not trip. Why? Because these people are a bit stupid. In other words, their minds are not as capable as your's is when it comes to perceiving the psychedelic.

A bit of advice: Don't smoke. Marijuana is now a psychedelic for you, so you need to treat it like a psychedelic. I treat each and every one of my trips as if they were gold, and I only trip on the psychedelics that I tend to learn a lot from. Marijuana is not a very good teacher for me. It makes me anxious and nervous, too. Therefore, I trip on mushrooms and DMT because I seem to learn the most from them.

Hope this helps! :smile:


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Feanor]
    #7636343 - 11/14/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

^That's very, very opinionated. Every time I trip, weed becomes pretty psychedelic, but it definitely goes away for me after a few days or weeks.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7636364 - 11/14/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What's opinionated about it?


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Feanor]
    #7636440 - 11/14/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

How about the part where you said that if taking a psychedelic doesn't make weed strongly psychedelic for someone, they're stupid/have a less able mind? Just because marijuana become psychedelic for some people after tripping doesn't mean it's true for everyone. As I said it happens to me, just temporarily. According to you, that means my mind is less able than yours. I'd consider that opinionated.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7636577 - 11/14/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

well if you're scared and anxious about tripping, then why trip at all? being pre-anxious and scared means you're a lot more likely to have a bad trip again.

just wait until you're more comfortable with the fact of tripping, and give yourself some time to get more confident that you will have a good trip next time.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7636700 - 11/14/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Ness1 said:
How about the part where you said that if taking a psychedelic doesn't make weed strongly psychedelic for someone, they're stupid/have a less able mind? Just because marijuana become psychedelic for some people after tripping doesn't mean it's true for everyone. As I said it happens to me, just temporarily. According to you, that means my mind is less able than yours. I'd consider that opinionated.




Jesus... :rolleyes:

Psychedelically smarter is what I meant. Some people are book smart, while others aren't. If you are more capable than others when it comes to memorizing material, then you are smarter than they are in terms of being book smart. If you can perceive the psychedelic better than other people, then you are smarter than they are in terms of being psychedelically smart.

If two people of the same weight take 3.5 grams of mushrooms, then the experience that each of them has will determine which one is psychedelically smarter. If one of the trippers has an Ego Loss and the other tripper only sees a red dot on a wall, then it is common sense (non-opinionated) to conclude that the person who had the Ego Loss is smarter, psychedelically smarter, than the person who saw the red dot.

You need to look up some of Yageman's posts.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Feanor]
    #7636743 - 11/14/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There are about a hundred thousand variables that could influence someone's psychedelic experience. You're using logic similar to the people who think that different batches of LSD produce different effects aside from differing dosages. The psychedelic experience is far too subjective to pin it down like that.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7636815 - 11/14/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Ness1 said:
You're using logic similar to the people who think that different batches of LSD produce different effects aside from differing dosages.



Different batches of LSD do produce different effects, my friend! There are too many inexperienced individuals who constantly say, "A cube is a cube is a cube." Well, this is wrong as well! Come on, man...
Have you ever tried different batches of acid?
I have. I know some psychonauts who are far more experienced than myself, and they would never say that different batches of acid give off the same effect.
That's like saying Pizza Hut tastes exactly the same as Dominoes.
You seem like a cool guy, but you do have some stuff to learn.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Feanor]
    #7636827 - 11/14/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

LSD-25 = LSD-25. If your blotter really is acid, theres only a few things that can be on it. Unreacted reagents (not likely to be active in microgram doses), iso-LSD (not active), and LSD-25. So, which one of those is going to produce different effects?


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7636865 - 11/14/07 06:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You're too preoccupied with the natural sciences.

LSD is extremely complicated to make; there are many steps involved in the process. If a chemist performs one of these numerous steps a bit differently than another chemist does, then his batch of acid will give off a different effect than the other chemist's batch. Really, there's no one right way to make LSD, just as there's no one right way to grow mushrooms, no one right way to ride a bike, no one right way to live life, etc.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Feanor]
    #7636880 - 11/14/07 06:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Do you have any actual proof of that? What other active chemicals might be produced during synthesis? Are there even any? I just don't see how it is possible. There are very few chemicals active in microgram doses.


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Re: Coming Full Circle - a little advice? [Re: Ness1]
    #7636959 - 11/14/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Personally, no, I don't. I mean, that's like asking somebody to determine the ratio of psyilocybin to psilocin to baeocystin to norbaeocystin in P. Cubensis Cambodia, and then asking them to determine the ratio in P. Cubensis B+. There will be a difference, but people just don't bother determining all of these differences in a naturally induced scientific setting because it is unneccessary, and, well, it is a bit understood (common sense).

Try it out one of these days. Get some LSD from one chemist, and then, get some LSD from another chemist. Dose one day, and then, dose the next day with the other acid. Take the same amount. You'll notice a difference.

But hey, this thread is supposed to be about helping this chap with his life, and we have gotten a little bit off topic! If you want to continue the convo, shoot me a pm..


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