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can anyone confirm this?
#7635983 - 11/14/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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4,000 years before Jesus was even born to the ancient land of Egypt. Here, over six thousand years ago, the Egyptians carved their spiritual belief system into stone using hieroglyphics. They left behind a very detailed description of their Gods, Kings and spiritual belief practices. A list of the names of all the gods of Egypt would fill pages. But all these gods were only forms, attributes or phases of Ra, the solar god, who himself was the supreme symbol or metaphor for God. Horus, the son of Osirus and Isis, is himself an aspect of Ra. The ancient Egyptians believed that the sun was their god Osirus and the stars were all kings who ruled the heavens. They also believed that their god Osirus had an earthborn son named Horus who was conceived through Immaculate Conception to a virgin mother. Very much like, if not identical to, the Christian beliefs concerning the birth of Jesus. Stories about the life of Horus had been circulating for many, many centuries before Jesus’ birth. If any copying occurred by the writers of the Egyptian or Christian religions, it was the Christians who incorporated the similarities into Jesus’ biography the myths and legends of Horus, not vice-versa. Now things start getting a little weird here.
Some of the titles the Egyptians had for their worshipped Horus included The Good Shepherd, The Lamb Of God, The Bread Of Life, The Son Of Man, The Word, The Fisher, The Messiah and The way, the truth and the light. When Horus was born, Herut (a tyrant), had thousands of children slaughtered trying to kill the newborn Messiah. In Christian beliefs it was Herod (very similar name to Herut) who had thousands of children slaughtered trying to kill the newborn baby Jesus. Both Jesus and Horus were teachers in the temples at the age of 12 and were baptized at the age of 30 with no data available on either of them for 12 years. When Horus was baptized, his baptiser (Anup) was beheaded whereas Jesus’ baptiser John the Baptist was also beheaded.
Both Jesus and Horus were believed to have walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick and restored sight to the blind. Horus also rose the dead and stilled the sea by their power - Does this remind you of anyone? Both Jesus and Horus were crucified on a cross between two thieves, buried in a cave and were resurrected three days later. Both Jesus and Horus had twelve helpers (or disciples). The 12 helpers of Horus were the 12 deities who make up the 12 signs of the zodiac (also known as the horoscope or “Horus-scope?”). There have been discovered nearly two hundred instances of correspondence between the mythical Egyptian material and the allegedly historical Christian writings about Jesus.
While I’m on the subject of Egyptian worship I want to bring another little known fact to your attention. This isn’t a coincidence, and it isn’t something I made up, but I think you will find it very amazing and I encourage you to check it out for yourself. The ancient Egyptians were star worshippers and followed the movements of our stars and planets very closely. The constellation they paid the most attention to, and wrote the most about was the constellation of Orion (the great hunter).
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: cube talk]
#7636033 - 11/14/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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There does seem to be some Jesus-Horus connection(just as there is a Jesus-Osiris connection, a Jesus-Mithras connection, etc.), but IMHO it has been way overplayed. I don't really have the patience right now to look up and address each point, but someone else did it for me in a previous thread on this same subject(which I am also too lazy to look up). Essentially, some of the claims are true, some are false, and some are really reaching. My best guess is that Jesus was a real person whose biographers chose to emphasize those aspects of his life which mirrored themes common to the mythology of the time.
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: cube talk]
#7636037 - 11/14/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ra rules
(our solar system.)
My vote for a god like being as all life on earth is dependent.
I was just checking out the Orion nebula this morning in the scope.
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: Icelander]
#7636060 - 11/14/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I shot this a few years ago one night in the Florida Keys.
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: Icelander]
#7636063 - 11/14/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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hmm So it's only somewhat true? Or what?
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: Icelander]
#7636068 - 11/14/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was just checking out the Orion nebula this morning in the scope.
He was actually checking out the nighbors...
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: Diploid]
#7636080 - 11/14/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Diploid said: I shot this a few years ago one night in the Florida Keys.
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But I was the one who exploded the star.
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: Silversoul]
#7636082 - 11/14/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: There does seem to be some Jesus-Horus connection(just as there is a Jesus-Osiris connection, a Jesus-Mithras connection, etc.), but IMHO it has been way overplayed. I don't really have the patience right now to look up and address each point, but someone else did it for me in a previous thread on this same subject(which I am also too lazy to look up). Essentially, some of the claims are true, some are false, and some are really reaching. My best guess is that Jesus was a real person whose biographers chose to emphasize those aspects of his life which mirrored themes common to the mythology of the time.
Thats interesting, so he could have been the second coming himself of a person way before him and so on? Say like moses was the one before him, then horus etc etc
That is of course assuming that he really was what christians profess.
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: Diploid]
#7636087 - 11/14/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Diploid said: I shot this a few years ago one night in the Florida Keys.
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wormhole
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: Diploid]
#7636165 - 11/14/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's beautiful. PM me sometime and tell me all about your telescope. I'm a big optics fan on a budget. (but I can dream about your scope)
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: Icelander]
#7636180 - 11/14/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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but I can dream about your scope
Never heard it called that before.
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You're not a swinger.;)
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: Icelander]
#7644631 - 11/16/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Any sources you could post a link to? It's intriguing but I want to go more in depth with this.
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: cycoshitzo]
#7644639 - 11/16/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just google swingers.
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: cube talk]
#7644994 - 11/16/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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cube talk said: 4,000 years before Jesus was even born to the ancient land of Egypt. Here, over six thousand years ago, the Egyptians carved their spiritual belief system into stone using hieroglyphics. They left behind a very detailed description of their Gods, Kings and spiritual belief practices. A list of the names of all the gods of Egypt would fill pages. But all these gods were only forms, attributes or phases of Ra, the solar god, who himself was the supreme symbol or metaphor for God. Horus, the son of Osirus and Isis, is himself an aspect of Ra. The ancient Egyptians believed that the sun was their god Osirus and the stars were all kings who ruled the heavens. They also believed that their god Osirus had an earthborn son named Horus who was conceived through Immaculate Conception to a virgin mother. Very much like, if not identical to, the Christian beliefs concerning the birth of Jesus. Stories about the life of Horus had been circulating for many, many centuries before Jesus’ birth. If any copying occurred by the writers of the Egyptian or Christian religions, it was the Christians who incorporated the similarities into Jesus’ biography the myths and legends of Horus, not vice-versa. Now things start getting a little weird here.
Some of the titles the Egyptians had for their worshipped Horus included The Good Shepherd, The Lamb Of God, The Bread Of Life, The Son Of Man, The Word, The Fisher, The Messiah and The way, the truth and the light. When Horus was born, Herut (a tyrant), had thousands of children slaughtered trying to kill the newborn Messiah. In Christian beliefs it was Herod (very similar name to Herut) who had thousands of children slaughtered trying to kill the newborn baby Jesus. Both Jesus and Horus were teachers in the temples at the age of 12 and were baptized at the age of 30 with no data available on either of them for 12 years. When Horus was baptized, his baptiser (Anup) was beheaded whereas Jesus’ baptiser John the Baptist was also beheaded.
Both Jesus and Horus were believed to have walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick and restored sight to the blind. Horus also rose the dead and stilled the sea by their power - Does this remind you of anyone? Both Jesus and Horus were crucified on a cross between two thieves, buried in a cave and were resurrected three days later. Both Jesus and Horus had twelve helpers (or disciples). The 12 helpers of Horus were the 12 deities who make up the 12 signs of the zodiac (also known as the horoscope or “Horus-scope?”). There have been discovered nearly two hundred instances of correspondence between the mythical Egyptian material and the allegedly historical Christian writings about Jesus.
While I’m on the subject of Egyptian worship I want to bring another little known fact to your attention. This isn’t a coincidence, and it isn’t something I made up, but I think you will find it very amazing and I encourage you to check it out for yourself. The ancient Egyptians were star worshippers and followed the movements of our stars and planets very closely. The constellation they paid the most attention to, and wrote the most about was the constellation of Orion (the great hunter).
why not instead look up info on zeitgeist?
i have made several posts detailing where that information comes from and why it is mostly false
if you are that interested use the search function
also... i am not sure this is philosophy
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: cycoshitzo]
#7645008 - 11/16/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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cycoshitzo said: Any sources you could post a link to? It's intriguing but I want to go more in depth with this.
it is from a few people, none of them egyptologists or even archaeologists
that info was made popular recently by the 911 conspiricy film zeitgeist, unfortunately
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: cube talk]
#7645155 - 11/16/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree with Silversoul here. I've posted aspects of these things, and Egyptian religion was never codified, deities' aspects oftentimes were shared or ambiguous (e.g., 'Eye of Re,' 'Eye of Horus, 'Eye of Osirus'), and the Early, Middle and Late Kingdoms showed lots and lots of religious evolution. Tehuti [Thoth] was originally represented as a baboon, then the Ibis-headed humanoid (coincidentally, I saw half a dozen Ibis' roosting on my neighbor's roof a few hours ago).
There seems to be conceptual parallels in the Osirus-Horus-Isis Holy Family (not to mention Isis and Horus as the original Madonna and Child), as well as the original Holy Trinity. Themes of Judgement and Resurrection are indeed Egyptian, but Isis conceived magickally with an artificial phallus (the only part of Osirus' dis-membered [pun intended] body which she did not recover).
Only a complete rube who has read little or nothing about the history of religions could think that Biblical themes arose with the Iesus stories. If you read the Rev. John Shelby Spong's book Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible With Jewish Eyes, you'll see the extent to which the New Testament stories were midrashic 'completions' of Old Testament prophesies. The stories about Iesus were intentionally written to focus all of OT references to a Messiah (e.g., Isaiah 53, the 'suffering servant' passages) on a singular figure. Look at the 22nd Psalm. It begins with:
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Which is what Iesus was alleged to have spoken while on the cross according to Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34, but not Luke. Look at line 16 ff:
16 "...the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture."
These few lines are elaborated in the story-lines of Matthew 27:35, Mark 15:24 and Luke 23:34 - hands and feet pierced with nails, centurians casting bones [rolling dice] for Iesus' seamless garment. They are portrayed as fulfillments of these OT writings, but in fact, they were beautifully written to appear that way!
So there are archetypal themes that first appeared in Egyptian religious thought and some of Egyptian religion entered into Hebrew thought via Joseph and Mose[s] [an Egyptian name like Thutmose], along with dream interpretation and magick. The Jewish Talmud speaks of Iesus as a magician. Isis is Goddess of magick, but it is taught to her by Thoth.
For Spong, the NT is a recapitulation of OT themes, with names changed. The slaughter of the innocents which Moses escaped became the slaughter of innocents that Iesus escaped, for example. Moses' mother's name was Miriam, what do you think the Anglicized Mary is in Hebrew? Miriam. Was there a reporter in Nazareth (not Bethlehem - another insertion) to record the baby-in-the-manger story? Read the book and see. These truths cannot be blinked. Only someone with blinders on could fail to see these things, and those with blind faith may have some kind of faith, but they are nonetheless blind and what is worse, they like it that way.
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: Diploid]
#7645163 - 11/16/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks!
That was at the 1996 Winter Start Party on Summerland Key just south of Marathon. It's hosted by the Southern Cross Astronomical Society every year.
The weather that night was pretty much exactly like the weather we're feeling here in Miami right now: absolutely beautiful in they daytime and light sweater weather at night. The humidity was low, which contributed to the clarity of the picture. The only difference from our current weather was that there was very little wind.
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Re: can anyone confirm this? [Re: Diploid]
#7645282 - 11/16/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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What kind of telescope did you use. Did you have some kind of photo processor attached. I had a flakey girlfriend in 1993-4 who wanted to use her entire life-savings to buy a tracking telescope with a processor to convert the images to computer imaging. She knew nothing about basic astronomy, and fortunately for her she never did anything, but she used to drag me down to F.I.U. south campus on Friday nights to attend some astronomy society meeting. There were amateur astronomers who would gather in Elaine Gordon Park in North Miami, some with their home-made, hand-ground scopes.
Can you identify the nebula? Which constellation it appeared in? I think I've only seen the Ring nebula (M57?) and the Dumbell nebula in Lyra, both through a friend's 8" reflector. I did see Mercury's transit across the Sun and a partial solar eclipse through filters, as well as comet Kohotek, through that scope.
I've looked through that huge copper refractor they kept at the Miami Planetarium to see the north pole of Mars. They took that scope to Islamorada in 86 when Haley's comet was visible, but the line was long and the night cloudy so I didn't get in line.
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