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DMT question (experienced travelers only, please)
    #7635144 - 11/14/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

so I've been experimenting with the spice since June. Started small and worked my way up. While introducing some friends, a not-so-stunning experience was felt. This was partially because of the distractions of the not-so-respectful friends. However, using a minimum of 50mgs the next two times after that produced little to no effects.

Spice was tried twice yesterday: starting about 50mg, then 20mins. later ~100mg. Still little effects.

Well, today was two sessions ~60-70mg, within 30min. of each other. The first dose was larger than the second. Effects were more prevalent (and the buzzing was back, but not bothersome despite its raging, more like in the background than the foreground and my entire essence). But through none of these experiences have I again achieved contact with other places or beings.

Vaporization technique has not changed and am usually pulling in 3-4 very large hits, usually vaping most of the liquid away, and holding as long as possible.

I was wondering if this decline in effects has happened to anyone else, especially as dosage increases. As my amount of spice is slowly dwindling and some of it belongs to a friend across the land, I must start using it sparingly. Would oral dosage be a better option for me to try?


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: demiu5]
    #7635365 - 11/14/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, this happens sometimes with psychs.  i'm not sure why, but fear/anxiety/reluctancy seems to be capable of triggering a softening mechanism in the brain to protect you emotionally from the expected trauma of the upcoming experience.  in this way, it could be psychological.


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: zekesdream]
    #7635376 - 11/14/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I really don't think it's psychological because I've had virtually no fear/anxiety about dabbling since I took about 5 weeks off from using it. I feel more prepared (in so much as one can be) than ever to venture out there.

also, from what I've read on the nexus is that it takes a fair amount less orally than it does vaporized


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: zekesdream]
    #7635409 - 11/14/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Regarding the oral dose, I wonder what amount would be sufficient? Having recently experienced two mind blowing experiences with "ruehuasca" over three days, I am not sure I am even inclinded to smoke extract again. After an initial dose of approx 8g MHRB, the second at 4g was just as UNREAL if not more so. At approx 1-2% alkaloid content wouldn't this be 0.04-0.08g i.e. 40-80mg?

Regardless, good luck.


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: antiPock]
    #7639190 - 11/15/07 11:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

anyone else have any thoughts or shared similar experiences?

I'm going to lay off for a week or two, probably, and then see how it and i are feeling together


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: demiu5]
    #7639224 - 11/15/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

this has never happened to me, but vaporizing has also never gave me a breakthrough. I use a pipe and it works for me everytime. maybe you should try a pipe?


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: demiu5]
    #7639375 - 11/15/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, ime (I'm not experienced really, however), a regular pipe works best.

Maybe sprinkled on top of some non psychoactive herb?


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: Cepheus]
    #7641162 - 11/15/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)



would this work fine?


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: elcharrosays]
    #7641525 - 11/15/07 07:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

that's a vaporizer, he's talking about a bowl. I don't understand how using a glass vaporizer and a pipe are any different, except for that using a regular pipe, you run the risk of possibly igniting the dmt as opposed to it just liquefying/vaporizing


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: demiu5]
    #7641767 - 11/15/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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so I've been experimenting with the spice since June. Started small and worked my way up. While introducing some friends, a not-so-stunning experience was felt. This was partially because of the distractions of the not-so-respectful friends. However, using a minimum of 50mgs the next two times after that produced little to no effects.

Spice was tried twice yesterday: starting about 50mg, then 20mins. later ~100mg. Still little effects.

Well, today was two sessions ~60-70mg, within 30min. of each other. The first dose was larger than the second. Effects were more prevalent (and the buzzing was back, but not bothersome despite its raging, more like in the background than the foreground and my entire essence). But through none of these experiences have I again achieved contact with other places or beings.

Vaporization technique has not changed and am usually pulling in 3-4 very large hits, usually vaping most of the liquid away, and holding as long as possible.

I was wondering if this decline in effects has happened to anyone else, especially as dosage increases. As my amount of spice is slowly dwindling and some of it belongs to a friend across the land, I must start using it sparingly. Would oral dosage be a better option for me to try?


I posted this on the nexus as well, so no need to reply to both if you are also a member there




It takes some time to experience a DMT breakthrough.

Here's my advice to you. Load a very BIG bowl. 70mg will suffice. You shouldn't be taking 3-4 large hits. You should be taking 1-2 MASSIVE hit(s). If you can handle another one, go for it. When I say massive, I mean massive. You need to hit that pipe HARD. Ok.. first off, load your bowl. Vaporize the DMT for a LONG time. You will eventually hear a "screaming" sound being produced by the pipe. When you hear this, the time has come. Put the pipe to your lips and hit it as hard as you can. Inhale as much DMT smoke as you possibly can. Don't just stop the inhalation as if you would if you were smoking some bud, but continue until you can't inhale anymore. You want to hit the pipe so hard to where you won't be able to hold it in your lungs, to where you will be forced to cough it up. You want to cough so much to where it'll feel like your coughing out all of your internal organs. It will hurt. It'll feel like there are millions of white hot knives piercing your throat. If you feel this, then good! Some tears may involuntarily fall from your eyes due to the pain. After you take your first massive hit, follow it up if you can with another massive hit. Eventually, you will be gone. You should not be able to take a third hit if you follow these directions.

If you follow these directions, I'm certain that you will breakthrough. You'll know a DMT breakthrough when you have one. It's indescribable. It doesn't take you into the psychedelic, but rather, it takes you beyond the psychedelic.

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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: elcharrosays]
    #7641774 - 11/15/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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would this work fine?




Yes, that is key. You want that pipe.

Demius, get yourself one of those if you don't already have one.


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: Feanor]
    #7641824 - 11/15/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I find a rather large light bulb work REALLY well. Even tho you asked for an experienced traveler and I'm definitely not one, I've had INTENSE hits using this method. If done correctly, a 40-50mg dose should be enough to blast most ppl off. The reason this works is because it collects ALOT of vapor in the chamber of bulb and when you pull that all in, it's a one monster hit. If you can hold that all in while filling the bulb up the 2nd time and take that, you start getting the effects and have to fight to still hold the bulb and lighter in your hand and fill the chamber again with the last hit and if you're able to take THAT one, it's all over.

Don't knock it till you try it is all I gotta say..



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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: c0_hush]
    #7641872 - 11/15/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

DMT + CANNABIS + WATERPIPE/BONG = BREAK-THROUGH.


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #7642561 - 11/16/07 12:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

dmt makes your brain implode


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: andrewss]
    #7642635 - 11/16/07 12:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah but the thing with those meth pipes is, as you're vapourizing it, you are inevitably going to loose some dmt as it condenses around the edge of the pipe while heating...

Thats why I figure a regular pipe is better.. if you just ripppp it you're going to loose less dmt to condensation :shrug:

Maybe I just suck at meff pipes :shrug:


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: Cepheus]
    #7642771 - 11/16/07 01:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

get a free base pipe. its just easyer.
2 tiems ago i took 3 good hits and git a retty goo visual glmps of crazy crrepy crawlys. then later in the week i took one huge hit of the remaining crust wich i jues was jam packed with trypto-tasties :grin:
anyway what i mean to say is each time is always gonna be difrent. if had certin atepts go bad cus the wind started blowing and the lighter went out :frown:
you just never can tell
the hotter the hit i find. the mor epotent. but you knw, not too hot, and def not burning or touching the actualy material. but you want to get as much of it relased into vapor at once as you can


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: elcharrosays]
    #7643161 - 11/16/07 07:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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would this work fine?




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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: Feanor]
    #7643787 - 11/16/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

you seem to be misunderstanding.  I've broken through a few times, my last ones before this recent string of change.  and I use a glass vaporizer.  technique took me most of summer to get down, but the process is fine.


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Yeah but the thing with those meth pipes is, as you're vapourizing it, you are inevitably going to loose some dmt as it condenses around the edge of the pipe while heating...




So long as the liquid doesn't run out of the chamber when you set it down, that will harden back up.  still dmt in there and it can be vaporized again.  it's not wasted :laugh:


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: demiu5]
    #7644038 - 11/16/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I had this problem.

I quit vaporizing alltogether, and started sprinkling it on weed ( or whatever herb you'd perfer to smoke ).

It has an insanely stronger effect for me this way, others I've smoked it with say the same, hwoever I've never used a meth pipe, normally a lightbulb.


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Re: DMT question (experienced travelers only, please) [Re: vandago]
    #7644183 - 11/16/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ah, Ok. I see what you're talking about now.
Quote:

demius said:
you seem to be misunderstanding.  I've broken through a few times, my last ones before this recent string of change.  and I use a glass vaporizer.  technique took me most of summer to get down, but the process is fine.


Quote:

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Yeah but the thing with those meth pipes is, as you're vapourizing it, you are inevitably going to loose some dmt as it condenses around the edge of the pipe while heating...




So long as the liquid doesn't run out of the chamber when you set it down, that will harden back up.  still dmt in there and it can be vaporized again.  it's not wasted :laugh:




Yeah, that's true what you're saying, but I think that what Cepheus was talking about is a bit different. Some of the DMT smoke will escape from the carb (hole on the side), but it really isn't all that much.

I love DMT resin!  :smile:


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