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RedRabbit
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A BIG Question...
#7633988 - 11/14/07 07:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Has anybody have any negative experiences to share whilst ordering mushroom spores? has anyone ever gotten into trouble?..
-------------------- all posts and statements made are completely fictional, I greatly detest being associated with any illegal activites, In fact, I have never done anything illegal, I choose to learn about differant substances so that in the case where i might need to interact with them, I shall know alot about them, This is a principle in everything i do...
I have yet to use the knowledge i learn on this site...
hee hee i should patent this!
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Re: A BIG Question... [Re: RedRabbit]
#7634085 - 11/14/07 08:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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from?
the police or mommy and daddy?
I can't recall ever seeing any police related problems...with spores.
I've seen a few "My mom found my spores" or "My parents opened my package and found syringes" type of threads over the years.
and one "My girlfriends mother opened my package that I had delivered to her house"
tc
-------------------- Laterz, Road Who the hell you callin crazy? You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch! Brainiac said: PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.
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Re: A BIG Question... [Re: Roadkill]
#7634096 - 11/14/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good question, but this topic seems a bit more appropriate for our Security and Safety forum.
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Re: A BIG Question... [Re: Wronguy]
#7634136 - 11/14/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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and one "My girlfriends mother opened my package that I had delivered to her house"
HAHA haha i remember that guy....
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Roadkill
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Re: A BIG Question... [Re: rodfarva]
#7634206 - 11/14/07 09:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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how could anyone forget that guy?

tc
-------------------- Laterz, Road Who the hell you callin crazy? You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch! Brainiac said: PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.
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Re: A BIG Question... [Re: Roadkill]
#7634814 - 11/14/07 12:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just ordered the roadkill special  now where should i start...
Oh and to be relevant, ive not had a negitive experiance thus far in my mircoscopy hobby
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Re: A BIG Question... [Re: Roadkill]
#7634926 - 11/14/07 12:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Roadkill said: and one "My girlfriends mother opened my package that I had delivered to her house"
Thats my favourite thread. He ordered spores to his underage girlfriends house
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playwithguns
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The only other bad one I remember was a non vendor transaction (ie private trade) where a box ended up opening up at a small town post office with syringes falling out. I think they were rather unpleased.
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RedRabbit
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could a mod be REALLY nice and switch this to the secuirity and safety and whatnot forum?
    
-------------------- all posts and statements made are completely fictional, I greatly detest being associated with any illegal activites, In fact, I have never done anything illegal, I choose to learn about differant substances so that in the case where i might need to interact with them, I shall know alot about them, This is a principle in everything i do...
I have yet to use the knowledge i learn on this site...
hee hee i should patent this!
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I remember that one. Sure there is a lesson to learn. Order from Shroomery vendors.
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allreadyused
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Re: A BIG Question... [Re: RedRabbit]
#7639565 - 11/15/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RedRabbit said: Has anybody have any negative experiences to share whilst ordering mushroom spores? has anyone ever gotten into trouble?..
No. Even if they do open your package you can't get in trouble for spores unless you live in a state where they're illegal. Unless they want the try the old conspiracy shit. Basically if you have everything at your house to grow, spores included. Even if you don't have an active grow they can still say you intended to because you have all of the things needed to grow. Bullshit; I know. But the law is bullshit. Order from shroomery sponsors you should be safe.
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eh im just curious because there seem to be so many people doing it.... is it for real?
-------------------- all posts and statements made are completely fictional, I greatly detest being associated with any illegal activites, In fact, I have never done anything illegal, I choose to learn about differant substances so that in the case where i might need to interact with them, I shall know alot about them, This is a principle in everything i do...
I have yet to use the knowledge i learn on this site...
hee hee i should patent this!
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Re: A BIG Question... *DELETED* [Re: allreadyused]
#7642548 - 11/16/07 12:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: A BIG Question... [Re: Chemy]
#7647113 - 11/17/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chemy said: As far as I know, one person can not be charged with conspiring with themselves even if they have multiple personality disorder or schizophrenia. If you possess all the necessary materials to produce an illegal substance, that would be manufacture, even though the materials have not been reacted or "mixed"
No but you could possibly be indited on conspiracy charges along with the vendor. That's two people participating in conspiracy to commit a crime, and both would have their one act of furtherance out of the way already. It happened just recently as a matter of fact. See the "Wisconsin v. Routon" thread in this forum.
Just having materials around isn't manufacture, it's not even attempted manufacture until you actually attempt it.
Intent is not a crime unless they can roll it into a conspiracy charge.
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Re: A BIG Question... *DELETED* [Re: fastfred]
#7647376 - 11/17/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: A BIG Question... [Re: Chemy]
#7650964 - 11/18/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think in Routon's case he should have been a lot more proactive about avoiding conspiracy charges. It's just plain stupid to sell spores along with a grow kit. Even a retard can put that together in his head and realize that he's involved in an illegal conspiracy.
People that do it as a business leave themselves wide open and it should be obvious that you need to protect yourself by not selling the two together or getting them to sign a waiver that they aren't going to grow them or selling legal species with a grow kit and microscope slides with the non-legal species.
If he would have done any one of those things then there would have been reasonable doubt no matter how suspicious or grey area it looked on the surface. It's just a matter of common sense and plausible deniability.
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Re: A BIG Question... [Re: fastfred]
#7652029 - 11/18/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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fastfred said:
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Chemy said: As far as I know, one person can not be charged with conspiring with themselves even if they have multiple personality disorder or schizophrenia. If you possess all the necessary materials to produce an illegal substance, that would be manufacture, even though the materials have not been reacted or "mixed"
No but you could possibly be indited on conspiracy charges along with the vendor. That's two people participating in conspiracy to commit a crime, and both would have their one act of furtherance out of the way already. It happened just recently as a matter of fact. See the "Wisconsin v. Routon" thread in this forum.
Just having materials around isn't manufacture, it's not even attempted manufacture until you actually attempt it.
Intent is not a crime unless they can roll it into a conspiracy charge.
-FF
Several states have attempt laws that make the attempted crime punishable by the same penalty as the actual crime; whatever it is. These usually have exceptions for certain high-level offenses (murder et cet).
Of course these would be difficult to inforce if people weren't so stupid. Luckily they are; they "explain" their motives and give the police everything needed to prosecute under tenuous circumstances.
---- 2923.02 Attempt to commit an offense. (A) No person, purposely or knowingly, and when purpose or knowledge is sufficient culpability for the commission of an offense, shall engage in conduct that, if successful, would constitute or result in the offense.
(B) It is no defense to a charge under this section that, in retrospect, commission of the offense that was the object of the attempt was either factually or legally impossible under the attendant circumstances, if that offense could have been committed had the attendant circumstances been as the actor believed them to be. ---
additionally, you can be charged with attempted possesion, for example, and subject to mandatory minimums based upon if you had actually possesed the substance... seems weird, but in ohio it's the law:
"Based on that analysis, the Chief Justice wrote: “We agree with both the Sixth and Eighth District Courts of Appeals that an attempted possession of drugs is not a separate and distinct crime from possession of drugs, but rather is incorporated into the possession offense. Thus, Taylor was still subject to the mandatory-sentencing provisions of R.C. 2925.11.” " See: https://www.sconet.state.oh.us/Communications_Office/summaries/2007/0509/060568.asp
So in ohio, you could be charged with attempted manufacture of LSD by following the foster's beer tek. No matter that it doesn't work, if you admit to them you attempted to complete it, you're guilty.
Would you be charged w/ such a stupid "offense"? Who knows, but they certainly could, and just cuz you couldn't have succeded doesn't let you off the hook.
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Re: A BIG Question... [Re: fastfred]
#7710441 - 12/03/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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fastfred said: No but you could possibly be indited on conspiracy charges along with the vendor. That's two people participating in conspiracy to commit a crime, and both would have their one act of furtherance out of the way already.
That's what I meant. They can always find some way of charging you with something. There's an old saying that goes something to the effect "You can indite a ham sandwich." Basically it's not that hard to charge someone with some stupid interpretation of a law. Getting them to stick is another story.
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Re: A BIG Question... [Re: johnm214]
#7710746 - 12/03/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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2923.02 Attempt to commit an offense. (A) No person, purposely or knowingly, and when purpose or knowledge is sufficient culpability for the commission of an offense, shall engage in conduct that, if successful, would constitute or result in the offense.
(B) It is no defense to a charge under this section that, in retrospect, commission of the offense that was the object of the attempt was either factually or legally impossible under the attendant circumstances, if that offense could have been committed had the attendant circumstances been as the actor believed them to be.
So, if I plan to rob a bank by burning my way into the vault with a small pocket magnifying glass, but after playing with my magnifying glass, I realize that it isn't going to work, thus I give up, then I am still guilty of attempting to rob a bank? Woah! Gotta love thought crimes.
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Re: A BIG Question... [Re: Seuss]
#7710774 - 12/03/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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In ohio, yes, and it is the same penalty (including mandatory minimums).
Same w/ manufacturing or possesion.
I love subsection B) where even if the plan is completly retarded and no way it would ever work, you're still guilty.
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