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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634186 - 11/14/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Slimz said: i have a bandsaw i was gonna use..
Even better! 
I use a sawzall for mine.
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Sillicybin]
#7634207 - 11/14/07 09:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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as of right about now that cake is 100% colonized and still in the jar..
should i birth it tonight? can it sit a day or 2 in the jar?
when i do birth it should i crumble it right away? dunk it first?
and again whats the gypsm for?
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634364 - 11/14/07 10:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok so i read another thread that says the cake will be fine for a few days but the other questions still stand...
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634417 - 11/14/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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don't dunk a cake you're about to crumble because you're only going to ruin the moisture content of the substrate. Consider it this way, you don't add water to grain spawn before spawning to field-capacity bulk substrates, why would using a crumbled cake as spawn be any different..? I do, however, rinse them under the sink throughly using my hands during the birthing to clean them off and remove the dry vermiculite contaminate barrier on top.
as for colonization times, the reason behind the extra couple days is because while the exterior of the cake might appear 100% colonized, the core may still have portions of uncolonized substrate. When a cake is fully colonized it will begin to shrink away from the glass in places, or completely in some cases as the mycelium exerts full consolidation over the substrate. There's no rush at this point so it's better to just give it those 2-5 days to be sure. Rushing it only cheats you out of more spawn material and opens yourself up to a new contaminate vector.
Garden gypsum is a source of calcium for the mycelium and acts as a mild buffer to help resist any change in pH. There's no need to amend the pH of the coco-coir or coffee grounds, the 6.5-6.8 pH range is actually ideal but a little gypsum mixed into the dry substrates (mixing it into a wet substrate creates little balls of plaster like goo rendering it impossible to distribute evenly) helps the mycelium along. A tablespoon or so is also good for soaking grains to help prevent clumping of the grains and to, once again, provide a readily assimilatible source of calcium during it's colonization of the spawn medium.
--- Tip: coco-coir bricks split nicely along it's seam, length-wise, if you only need to use half a brick. A screwdriver pushed into the side and a good twist should be all that's needed to start it along...
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634422 - 11/14/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you're using it for spawning, dunking is not necessary. You can let it sit for a couple weeks if you need to... a day or two won't hurt.
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excellent.. thanks...
Im assuming that calcium carbonate would also work..
i think im good to go.. but then again i have thought that before...
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634479 - 11/14/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Slimz said: Im assuming that calcium carbonate would also work...
No, there's a big difference between lime, calcium carbonate (CaCO3) and gypsum, calcium sulfate dihydrate (CaSO4·2H2O) and they are most definitely not interchangeable. The most notable being that lime is highly alkaline and will raise the pH of your substrate significantly. We don't add lime to our substrates, however we do to our casing mixtures to make it less hospitable for contaminates.
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Slimz
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ok well i might have to omit that ingredient.
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634780 - 11/14/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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how about crushed coral (ground to a powder)
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634791 - 11/14/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ive seen only great results from plain coir. No additives. KIS
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: rodfarva]
#7634805 - 11/14/07 12:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The best additives for coir are organic nitrogen boosters. Spent coffee grounds are a good start. I know you didn't want to use poo, but my best coir grows have been those supplemented with a small amount of poultry manure.
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Sillicybin]
#7634840 - 11/14/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why don't you try to make an LC with a piece of mycelium cutting, then you can spawn that to some WBS and have tons of spawn and not have to worry too much about that aspect.
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Slimz
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yea im set for future grows.. but i want this one to do as good as possible so i can celebrate with a few friends.
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7635081 - 11/14/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you can't get your hands on garden gypsum (I can get it for about $25 shipped off ebay for a 40lb supply) then I wouldn't worry about going out of your way to find a suitable substitute...I've done several grows without it and it's not a wonder-drug, it just creates a slightly stronger/more robust mycelial colony. It really does make a difference when soaking grains to prevent clumping though, that one is readily observable...in my humble opinion.
Plain coir is great as a substrate but adding vermiculite gives it more water retention properties to pump moisture into the fruit bodies and supplemental organics such as used coffee grounds (the only supplement I've used) gives it the nutritional boost to sustain maybe "one more flush" than if used without...
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ok so 80/20 coir and coffee in an 8x8 dish with some moist verm mixed in. then i cover the dish with foil and poke some holes then cover those with medical tape... let sit for about 5 days, cover it with a moist verm casing, then stick it in my FC and let it fruit.
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7635286 - 11/14/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7653654 - 11/19/07 06:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well the spawned coir is colonizing and doing a great job.. I am so surprised at how fast the myc takes over.. i made sure i had a few extra pieces on top and mixed the rest in, now its busting out all over the place (i spawned it fri night.)
im hoping that by fri or so that it will be ready to fruit...
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7653863 - 11/19/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm starting to fall in love with those little trays again as I start to work more and more with agar and trying to create isolates. It's very easy and economical to test out six or seven different isolates when you only need to prepare a half-quart of spawn and a quart or two of substrate per tray... The best part is they clean up well and are reusable...
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and small and stealthy and great for a "me and my friends" kind of grower
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