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Slimz
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Streeeetching it
#7633949 - 11/14/07 07:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok .. im almost ready to spawn to coir i hahe a medium/small tub (5 gallon)that was setup as a FC with perlite on the bottom (no holes in the sides yet) im thinking of turning it in to a small monotub i dont need any help with that because i read the teks.
My question is about stretching out a single half pint jar that has colonized very fast and healthy.
i only did a few for my first atempt and the others got contam so im looking to stretch this perfect cake out...
SInce im spawning to coir i was wondering what the best thing to do here is..
My plan was to soften the coir with boiling water (to help sterilize it), wring the water out of it once its soaked a bit, and the once its cooled mix in my broken up cake and let it colinize.. how much spawn will 1 half pint cake colonize?
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7633980 - 11/14/07 07:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well most folks like to stay to a 1:4 to 1:6 range, of spawn to substrate, at most 1:10, so at most your gonna wanna spawn 1 half pt cake to (not more than) 5 pints, or 2 1/2 quarts...that leaves you with quite a bit of coir
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Edited by boomer q (11/14/07 07:34 AM)
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: boomer q]
#7634004 - 11/14/07 07:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chances of spawning a monotub with a single half pint cake successfully are slim to none, unfortunately.
I'd recommend a quart minimum (preferably well-distributed grain spawn.)
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Sillicybin]
#7634016 - 11/14/07 07:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well 2 quarts is about 115 cubic inches.. so a tray thats 10x6x4 with 2 inches of coir and a moist verm casing layer later on. That might work...
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Sillicybin]
#7634075 - 11/14/07 08:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sillicybin said: Chances of spawning a monotub with a single half pint cake successfully are slim to none, unfortunately.
I'd recommend a quart minimum (preferably well-distributed grain spawn.)
Its a MINI monotub.. and im now actualy thinking just a gladware container (the ones that are like 7x7x3).. As the title implies, im just looking to stretch this out a little so i can share with some friends.
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634082 - 11/14/07 08:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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it's good that you're doing your work in volume and doing the right conversions.  just make sure you follow a 4:1 or 5:1 ratio on substrate to spawn. Looks like you'll be going a little light on that ratio.
For a single, half pint (1 US cup) of spawn you'll only want to spawn to about a quart (4 US cups) of substrate. A really good sized container for something like this would be...

The smaller 8"x8" sized container holds 56oz or 7 cups of material. You'll be using four or five cups of substrate to your one cup of spawn material and you'll still have a good 1/2" left for a casing mixture should you use one.
----- I started using these when growing out agar isolates because they're small, and easy to use and don't require a lot of spawn...which is handy when trying to grow out four or five different isolates at once to test which ones perform best. Below is an image of two trays in a shotgun styled terrarium...
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Don't mistake my tone for a "matter-of-fact" attitude. I'm just presenting what I believe to be correct, until I'm corrected... - How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates - How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier - How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse ------------------------------------ figgusfiddus said: Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
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Slimz
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ok i have NEVER worked with coir.. but from the pics i do have a question.. how do i measure it?
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634101 - 11/14/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i have read the teks, but still dont understand how you measure it... do i measure it loose, packed, will i figure it out when i work with it, is it not an exact science?
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634103 - 11/14/07 08:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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with a measuring cup, you want it nice and light and airy
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Edited by boomer q (11/14/07 08:47 AM)
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634110 - 11/14/07 08:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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When I work with coir, I hydrate it the night before and strain/dry it over night to get it as dry as possible. I then measure it out dry using quart and pint jars. Loosely, fluffy, you're not going to compact it into your tray.
for your spawn I would use (all dry)
2 cups coco coir 1 cup used coffee grounds 3.25 tablespoons of garden gypsum (which is 5% by volume)
mix all that together, hydrate it to field capacity, and then seperately hydrate 1 cup of vermiculite to field capacity and mix it into the coir evenly. There you go, one substrate ready to be steam pasteurized via...
RogerRabbit's Stovetop Pasteurization Method
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634111 - 11/14/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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easy way to measure...
take an empty jar, fill the jar 5 times with Coco Coir, don't pack the Coco Coir into the jar, just fill it semi loosely, put the 5 jars worth of Coco Coir into a container(fruiting tray), break up your colonized substrate(same size jar worth as the Coco Coir), add that to the container and mix it all up.
that will give you a 5 to 1 ratio.
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: boomer q]
#7634114 - 11/14/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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boomer q said: with a measuring cup, you want it nice and light and airy
That ALMOST sounded sarcastic...
i guess ill see this weekend when i do it.. i have already decided to cut the coir before i expand it so the strands are shorter.. it will fit better in the smaller trays this way i would think.
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634119 - 11/14/07 08:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know of a casing that was just made. A large disposable rubermade (tupperware thingy) was used with 50 / 50 coir to verm. So far they have been the best, most perfect looking huge mushies ive seen grown. It was cased with moist, straight vermiculite with about a 1/4 inch layer.
You dont need to boil the coir my friend.
.get the coir ready .cruble the cake in a baggie with a spoon .mix the coir and verm (no need to be exact, just 50-50) .make sure you cant squeeze any water out of the coir/verm just that its moist. .cover the bottom and sides of your rubermade with tinfoil! .mix in the cake evenly, hopfully your cake pieces are smaller than marbles .pop a few holes in the lid and micropore tape them. .put the lid on .let sit for 5 days, then add the casing layer of strait verm. .let sit for a few days or put right into your fruiting chamber.
You can get almost 2 dry ounces a foaf told me.
Throw all your extra wet coir in the garden. Then go buy some more because your going to like the results.
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634123 - 11/14/07 08:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh.. more replies.. thanks myco and RK
is mycos recipe better that just the coir and some Sodium bicarbonate as a ph buffer?
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634127 - 11/14/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Slimz said: That ALMOST sounded sarcastic...
It's not. That's exactly how it's done. MAKE SURE YOU DON'T OVERHYDRATE THE COIR. You want it damp, not wet.
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634130 - 11/14/07 09:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Slimz said:
is mycos recipe better that just the coir and some Sodium bicarbonate as a ph buffer?
yes mycos recipe is a very good one.
and you don't need a ph buffer with coir.
tc
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Slimz]
#7634133 - 11/14/07 09:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Slimz said:
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boomer q said: with a measuring cup, you want it nice and light and airy
That ALMOST sounded sarcastic...
i guess ill see this weekend when i do it.. i have already decided to cut the coir before i expand it so the strands are shorter.. it will fit better in the smaller trays this way i would think.
yea, it was originally gonna be sarcastic, but i didnt follow through all the way..... oh, and i tried to cut up my brick of coir before hydrating also and it was waaaay harder than it looked, didnt get through it at all and i fucked up a good bread knife
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: boomer q]
#7634143 - 11/14/07 09:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you're going to try to cut dry coir, a hacksaw is a good tool to think about using.
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: Sillicybin]
#7634151 - 11/14/07 09:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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^^ yea, that shit was tough
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Re: Streeeetching it [Re: boomer q]
#7634163 - 11/14/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i have a bandsaw i was gonna use..
ill try myco's recipe.. whats the gypsm for (dont have that on hand)
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