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beforetimetook
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If you do nothing else for your country...
#7632766 - 11/13/07 09:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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please get out there and vote be part of the political process, less than half of our eligible voters use their chance to contribute, and please if you have not registered to vote do so asap. Also, tell a friend to vote, tell a family member; you'd be surprised at the number of people you don't know who don't vote. Imagine if we could get all these people who complain and want change and are out side of the mainstream voting base or just have an issue that means a lot to them to get out and vote according.
P.S. IMHO I think this should be stickied by an admin at least in this forum and really in all of the forums.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: beforetimetook]
#7632850 - 11/13/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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How are people supposed to vote when they don't have much to vote for? Show me how to vote for no more bullshit when all the politicians are full of it. This "get out and vote" shit is crammed down our throat as if the problem is all on our side. Give me something to fucking vote for. How am I supposed to vote if I don't want a giant douche OR a turd sandwich?
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Silversoul]
#7632916 - 11/13/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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What do you want for this country and the world?
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Mojo_Risin]
#7633199 - 11/13/07 10:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i am not going to vote out of sheer laziness...
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beforetimetook
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7633237 - 11/13/07 10:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you do not participate in the process you still in effect endorse it because you allow those who will participate the opportunity to continue this country down the same path, this is the only avenue we have for change in mindset in government; that is, to elect officials we believe at least address some issue we have and will make good on his efforts to change/improve it. Look at it like this, in a communist country you either don't vote, have 1 person on the ballet, or are strongly encouraged to vote for a person through his militia's ability to silence opposition, now if you couldn't vote wouldn't you want to, to be given a choice in the possessor of powers that hurt you
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: beforetimetook]
#7633279 - 11/13/07 11:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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hell yea... but really i dont care enough... things will be fucked for awhile regardless...
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Silversoul
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: beforetimetook]
#7633291 - 11/13/07 11:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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beforetimetook said: If you do not participate in the process you still in effect endorse it because you allow those who will participate the opportunity to continue this country down the same path, this is the only avenue we have for change in mindset in government; that is, to elect officials we believe at least address some issue we have and will make good on his efforts to change/improve it. Look at it like this, in a communist country you either don't vote, have 1 person on the ballet, or are strongly encouraged to vote for a person through his militia's ability to silence opposition, now if you couldn't vote wouldn't you want to, to be given a choice in the possessor of powers that hurt you
So in one system I get either a tyrant or a bullet. In the other system, I get to choose between two tyrants and pretend there's a discernible difference.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Silversoul]
#7633495 - 11/14/07 12:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not going to vote if there is no one I want to vote for.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Silversoul]
#7633583 - 11/14/07 01:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Then vote third party and express your dislike of the two-party status quo.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: beforetimetook]
#7633656 - 11/14/07 02:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Telling people to vote isn't going to solve the problem. The problem is that people, especially the younger ones, just don't care. They feel that the government has already failed them and that is doesn't matter who their elected officials are. The only way to get the younger voters out is to create an issue that holistically galvanizes them. The baby boomers had the Civil Rights movement, Vietnam war etc but apparently the Iraq War, ridiculous drug laws, and social security money they will never see is not enough to get them out there. You better start the draft if you want to get young people to vote.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: robbyberto]
#7633662 - 11/14/07 02:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: You better start the draft if you want to get young people to vote.
Or introduce a no confidence vote.
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Silversoul
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Viveka]
#7634265 - 11/14/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Viveka said: Then vote third party and express your dislike of the two-party status quo.
What if I think the third party candidates are all idiots?
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: beforetimetook]
#7634374 - 11/14/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would rather a person not vote if they are uneducated.
Just my opinion.
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wps
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: beforetimetook]
#7634731 - 11/14/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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"American democracy is inverted when what passes for democracy is an electoral choice between two representatives of the privileged class." -RATM
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Silversoul]
#7634753 - 11/14/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: How are people supposed to vote when they don't have much to vote for? Show me how to vote for no more bullshit when all the politicians are full of it. This "get out and vote" shit is crammed down our throat as if the problem is all on our side. Give me something to fucking vote for. How am I supposed to vote if I don't want a giant douche OR a turd sandwich?
Then get out and vote for a third party candidate.
I'm so tired of the non-voters whining about no good options.
Odds are there's an outsider running in the race that could use your support.
Register and vote for these folks...show the establishment that there is weight out there that they are neglecting...push issues and support them with votes and eventually the system will take notice.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Kinematics]
#7634758 - 11/14/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kinematics said:
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robbyberto said: You better start the draft if you want to get young people to vote.
Or introduce a no confidence vote.
This idea could be GENIUS.
Mandatory voting with a no-confidence option.
Watch 60% of americans vote 'no confidence' in their government...let's get to the heart of the matter...government, it's time for you to go.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: afoaf]
#7634826 - 11/14/07 12:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I heard that in some countries Election Day is a paid national holiday.
They should do that here, it would encourage a lot of people to vote.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: wps]
#7634834 - 11/14/07 12:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Like Veteran's Day makes people thank Veterans?
Like people remember Good Ol' Abe on Presidents Day?
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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wps
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7634845 - 11/14/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well, I think if I had election day off:
a) it would remind me of the election
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b) it would make me think, "Shit, I might as well go and spend 10 minutes voting, after all I'm getting a paid holiday..."
The way it is now, people have to go out of their way to participate in the democratic process, which keeps a lot of people from doing it. If they really wanted to increase turnout they would make it easier for regular joes to vote...
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wps
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: wps]
#7634851 - 11/14/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh yeah, and also I'd like to say:
in a democracy, as long as stupidity outnumbers intelligence, its pretty pointless to vote.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: afoaf]
#7635136 - 11/14/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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In all honesty, I do vote. And my criticisms are more directed at elections in general than this particular election. I'll probably briefly register as a Republican in order to vote for Ron Paul(unless I decide to support Kucinich). So ya, I'm a voter. It's just that this pretentious attitude about how voting is your civic duty and the key to bringing about genuine change annoys me, as it presupposes that there will be someone worth voting for(last election, even the third party candidates seemed worthless). This election presents a special case, as there is a Democrat(Kucinich) and a Republican(Ron Paul) who actually have genuine character. They won't win the primaries, so it seems that those are the most important elections to show up for. Anyway, my main reason for voting is the ballot measures.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: beforetimetook]
#7635808 - 11/14/07 03:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: beforetimetook]
#7636174 - 11/14/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If someone is too stupid, whiny, or lazy to vote, good. I'd rather that person stay home than make a misinformed judgment for who to vote for. Frankly, I wish you had to pass a citizenship test or other sort of equivalent means of measuring political efficacy to be allowed to vote.
To all you shovel-faced mongoloids out there, be patriotic next election and stay home. Emphasis on home, because most of you who are too lazy to vote don't have jobs anyways.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: afoaf]
#7636260 - 11/14/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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afoaf said:
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Kinematics said:
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robbyberto said: You better start the draft if you want to get young people to vote.
Or introduce a no confidence vote.
This idea could be GENIUS.
Mandatory voting with a no-confidence option.
Watch 60% of americans vote 'no confidence' in their government...let's get to the heart of the matter...government, it's time for you to go.
I'd vote if there was a no-confidence vote, whether it was mandatory or not
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: demiu5]
#7636344 - 11/14/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Apathy will be the death of democracy...
We get the leaders we deserve, just look at the posts above.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7636355 - 11/14/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: Like Veteran's Day makes people thank Veterans?
I actually got a lot of attention on veteran's day, thank you very much. Some people have seen how shitty the rest of the world is, and are actually glad to live in our police state...
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Redstorm]
#7636974 - 11/14/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So you want to completely adopt the elitist model of government? Elitists already decide who gets into the elections and you believe they should decide who wins also? We all know intelligence is paramount when measuring ones self worth, right? I don't blame the lack of voter turnout completely to willing apathy on the part of the American people because the media has almost forced apathy on us by keeping us throughly under informed.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Crasher]
#7637229 - 11/14/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7637237 - 11/14/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You people who are saying there is no good candidate to vote for need to realize that while none of them maybe perfect, one of them is gonna get elected. why just leave it to chance as to who that one is? why not get off your ass and actually help make a decision as to who does win. Yea i hear ya, one vote means nothing. But when you talk about that vote with your friends and maybe they agree with you, or even disagree, either way in the end it means something. don't be another ant in the colony just bitching about the way things are without doing anything to change it....
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: opensaysme]
#7637254 - 11/14/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crasher
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7637353 - 11/14/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah... wealthy people in other parts of the world have done nothing to contribute to the misery & suffering so prevalent in other parts of the world. If you honestly had to go back only to the early 19th century & choose between being a child in what's now Rwanda or being a (forced) child factory laborer in London, Berlin, Paris, New York City or wherever... I would guess you'd choose the former if you really had to make the choice.
And yeah, somewhere like rural India is presently a pretty shitty place to be, but not because the peasants living there made it as such. The theft of their groundwater & massive amounts of pollution dumped into their environment by Coca Cola aren't exactly due to their choosing.
Luckily I don't have to make that choice, and neither do you. I'm not attempting to condone the actions of greedy men or corporations the world over. Nor am I trying to judge history for the purpose of an internet forum.
2007, I'd rather be in the United States than anywhere else.
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If democracy has ever really existed in America... then it died a long time ago.
Agreed, but then again, I don't leave my ballot blank. There are plenty of other failing political systems the world over that you could subscribe to instead.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Crasher]
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7637521 - 11/14/07 09:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree on both points...
Will you be my neighbor?
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Crasher]
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7637548 - 11/14/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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My favorite jeans are from Kentucky Hemp Outfitters, and they've served me well for near a decade.
If my wife would allow it, I'd always wear hemp. However, it seems Viet Nam and Thailand will continue to suffer for my fashion horrors.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Crasher]
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7637637 - 11/14/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck the system, run for office.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Crasher]
#7639078 - 11/15/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RUN FOR A GOVERNMENT POSITION & REVOLUTIONIZE IT!
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Mojo_Risin]
#7639222 - 11/15/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm voting for Douche.. no wait... Turd sandwich!!!!!!
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: beforetimetook]
#7639721 - 11/15/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I vote every chance I get. I've always voted third parties as much as possible. Nader 2 elections in a row, mother fuckers. Generally if there's no third party I vote against the incumbent. It's always been my opinion that if you don't vote than you have no right to complain about politics. I think voting should be mandatory. If you don't show up to vote or at the very least sign your name saying you at least showed up at the polling place than you have to pay a fine.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: allreadyused]
#7639837 - 11/15/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I try to vote more often now than I did before (which is never), but I never believed that "you don't have a right to complain" argument.
Some people just feel that despite how much they read about someone, presidents always break promises and go against their way. it's all smoke and mirrors so some people don't vote because they don't think they'll ever be imformed enough and don't want to contirbute to voting for tthe wrong person. I think that's a totall validm reason not to want to vote.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: BrAiN]
#7640605 - 11/15/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fortunately here in Oregon, the voting is a bit different. They don't have polling places. They just mail the ballot to you like they would an absentee voter, and you vote on your own time and mail it in. It's incredibly convenient.
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Re: If you do nothing else for your country... [Re: Silversoul]
#7663223 - 11/21/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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All I was saying is complaining about a process you don't even participate in is pretty pointless, yeah vote for an asshole and then complain he sucks but at least make it an issue whether or not your position will even be a factor, apathy in this area leads us to get what we always got
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