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lysergic bliss
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coir vs. peat
#7632690 - 11/13/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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is there a substantial difference in results between the two? does mycelium produce fruitbodies more readily on one of the two? ...or is it best to combine them? feedback appreciated.
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Edited by lysergic bliss (11/13/07 09:13 PM)
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mycocurious
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Well, you can use coco-coir for a substrate and you'll get two-three solid flushes or you can use coco-coir as a casing layer material and open yourself up for more contaminations because of it's high nutritional content.
peat moss is decomposed sphagnum moss and have very++ little nutritional content and, as such, makes a superb casing layer material because the lower the nutritional value of your casing layer the less likely it becomes that contaminates can germinate there.
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thedefone
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Also, using coir as a casing can cause the mycelium to colonize it too aggressively and MAY lead to overlay. 50/50 is the standard. 60/40 works well though. Use Coir for Bulk.
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Re: coir vs. peat [Re: thedefone]
#7632906 - 11/13/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No coir in casing unless its a tiny amount like 10-15%.. I know alot of people use miracle grow moisture control for casing and it has coir in it.
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Re: coir vs. peat [Re: Grogan]
#7633071 - 11/13/07 10:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've actually used straight coir and had great results. But that doesnt seem so popular anymore. Maybe i was just lucky.
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catbear
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Re: coir vs. peat [Re: thedefone]
#7633083 - 11/13/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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thedefone said: Also, using coir as a casing can cause the mycelium to colonize it too aggressively and MAY lead to overlay. 50/50 is the standard. 60/40 works well though. Use Coir for Bulk.
Mycelium overlay?????
I have no idea what that is? Somebody care to explain to me?
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thedefone
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Re: coir vs. peat [Re: catbear]
#7633290 - 11/13/07 11:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mycelium overlay?????
I have no idea what that is? Somebody care to explain to me?
How about I explain the search engine instead?
Or, maybe not.
By the way, I have had good results with 60/40 verm/coir as well, but I guess that the 50/50 is safer in terms of not providing food for contams, in addition to preventing possible overlay.
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Edited by thedefone (11/13/07 11:18 PM)
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tonyperez420
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Re: coir vs. peat [Re: thedefone]
#7633351 - 11/13/07 11:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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use one or the other
no astronomical difference
I use ver/peat moss mix or sometimes no casing...
overlay is overcolonizing of a substrate it gets too hard, pins cannot penetrate
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The shroomy 1
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Re: coir vs. peat [Re: catbear]
#7633431 - 11/13/07 11:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
catbear said:
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thedefone said: Also, using coir as a casing can cause the mycelium to colonize it too aggressively and MAY lead to overlay. 50/50 is the standard. 60/40 works well though. Use Coir for Bulk.
Mycelium overlay?????
I have no idea what that is? Somebody care to explain to me?
More specifically than the above information, overlay is a condition affecting a "casing layer", NOT the substrate. You actually want the substrate to Fully colonize! The Casing layer on the other hand is different. The mycelial mat formed by an overlayed casing makes it impervious to water and produces few pinheads. Overlay also occurs if the casing layer is too dry, the humidity is too low or the air temperature remains too high.
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Nibin
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Re: coir vs. peat [Re: catbear]
#7633576 - 11/14/07 01:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
catbear said:
Quote:
thedefone said: Also, using coir as a casing can cause the mycelium to colonize it too aggressively and MAY lead to overlay. 50/50 is the standard. 60/40 works well though. Use Coir for Bulk.
Mycelium overlay?????
I have no idea what that is? Somebody care to explain to me?
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Re: coir vs. peat [Re: Nibin]
#7633768 - 11/14/07 03:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've done both ways and have no specific opinion either way. Use lime though, just to be sure.
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