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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: tsquad]
    #7658083 - 11/20/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the help, i've not seen the psychiatrist/therapist yet but i'm waiting for a letter from them.


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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: beneath]
    #7667744 - 11/22/07 06:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

not been seen yet but check out this video



Permanent Damage from Antipsychotic Medication.

makes me really not want to take meds, what if that happened to me!?
wtf.


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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: beneath]
    #7668105 - 11/22/07 08:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The world of treating mental illness is truly a pathetic mess. Probably in a thousand years from now we still wont even have the slightest handle on what to really help these people.

First off, don't accept some letter from a therapist telling you that they will see you in a few weeks, demand you want help NOW. Bullshit. "Yeah doc, I'm hearing voices in my head that are telling me to kill myself" response "OK, I'll set up an appointment to see again in three weeks and we will start from there". Sorry for the anger, but fuck those doctors.

Secondly, psychiatrict medicines are so overly-prescribed it upsets me massively. There should be laws in place by now to stop psychiatrists from prescribing 90% of their patients on experimental bullsh.t that the majority of them do not even need in the first place. I'm just giving you that warning. A psychiatrist will talk with you for 3-5 minutes and diagnosis you with something you probably don't have and then just kind of pick a pill off the top of their heads to "see if it works for you". Don't let these doctors push you around into taking meds if it is not something you are interested in trying.

Most meds make people worse off than before. In the end, many people will go through years and years of trying different meds trying to find one that is right for them and then they finally just say fuck it and go without them.

The human brain is probably the most complicated thing on our planet, and these chemists who make stuff like Prozac and Zoloft in all honesty dont have a clue what they hell they're doing. They make some kind of molecule in the labs and assume "oh this seems to boost seratonin in peoples brains so maybe it can be benificial to some people. Dont get me wrong, these chemists are hard working people who just want to help people in the world, but in reality they don't have an incling of a clue what the hell they are doing.

So again, don't let a doctor push you into anything you don't want to do. It's just something I have learned from my own experience, sure they are considered proffessionals, but these proffessionals make fuck-ups more often than you would think.

The whole psychiatric world of medicine just upsets me after what Ive been through with it. So be careful out there man. I wouldn't blame a single person for being scared to go into see a psychiatrist when there is a serious option lingering about being put onto some kind of unknown medicine. Because all psychiatric medicines are basically unknown. They don't know wtf they do to people for real, these people are basically guinee pigs testing out unknown and un-natural molecules hoping that one of them will work well for a person. My guess is that 90% of the time a patient says "doc i feel so much better since you put me on this drug" its all in their heads. Its just all in their heads, I've experienced it myself before.

A good psychotherapist is usually the safest and most effective treatment for most people. Even then, good psychotherapists are sometimes hard to come by. Some psychotherapists will do more damage to you than good, so you have to be careful about that too.

With all that said, if I was hearing evil voices in my head telling me to kill myself (which I have never experienced myself) I would be worried. Honestly for that, If I only heard the voice once every year or so I would only go to do talk therapy with somebody qualified and that you connect with well. If I heard the voices everyday or all day long, then I would take my chances and start taking a potentially brain-busting weird psychiatric medicine that would probably turn me into a bit of a zombie with unexpected side-effects. At least I wouldnt hear voices anymore...


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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7669362 - 11/23/07 07:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i think i'd rather hear voices than be fucked up phsyically i think.
If i took an anti-phsychotic and developed tardive diskenesia and it fucked up my hands/arms, then i wouldn't be able to play guitar or drums or do anything with my hands.

I'd be fucked, and i don't think it would be long before i killed myself because everything that i need to do to enjoy life and stay a little bit sane involves using my hands/fingers.

i feel sorry for that guy in that video :frown:


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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: beneath]
    #7694491 - 11/29/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

havn't been givin a diagnosis, they are going to discuss my symptoms and other stuff with the psychiatric team so they can decide on a diagnosis/best treatment plan


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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: beneath]
    #7701028 - 11/30/07 10:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe your mind is just looking for excitement. Don't assume you're insane or need to be drugged. Try sky-diving or bungy jumping or something first, see if it gets out of your system.

Want to be suicidal, try going on anti-depressants, ugh.


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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: paulie_walnuts1]
    #7702218 - 12/01/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've been on anti-depressants, zoloft made me suicidal, martazapine helped me a little, mostly with my sleep.
I said zoloft made me suicidal but no more suicidal than i've been before.

I'm just looking for any sort of help, I'm also looking for a professional opinion because I've tried nearly everything that you can do on your own.
cognitive behaviour therapy looks like it might help with some stuff.


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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: paulie_walnuts1]
    #7702220 - 12/01/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:



... If you came this way,
Taking the route you would be likely to take
From the place you would be likely to come from,
If you came this way in may time, you would find the hedges
White again, in May, with voluptuary sweetness.
It would be the same at the end of the journey,
If you came at night like a broken king,
If you came by day not knowing what you came for,
It would be the same, when you leave the rough road
And turn behind the pig-sty to the dull facade
And the tombstone. And what you thought you came for
Is only a shell, a husk of meaning
From which the purpose breaks only when it is fulfilled
If at all. Either you had no purpose
Or the purpose is beyond the end you figured
And is altered in fulfilment. There are other places
Which also are the world's end, some at the sea jaws,
Or over a dark lake, in a desert or a city—
But this is the nearest, in place and time,
Now and in England.

...

We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
Through the unknown, unremembered gate
When the last of earth left to discover
Is that which was the beginning;

At the source of the longest river
The voice of the hidden waterfall
And the children in the apple-tree
Not known, because not looked for
But heard, half-heard, in the stillness
Between two waves of the sea.
Quick now, here, now, always—
A condition of complete simplicity
(Costing not less than everything)
And all shall be well and
All manner of thing shall be well
When the tongues of flame are in-folded
Into the crowned knot of fire
And the fire and the rose are one.

Little Gidding - T.S. Eliott


Music of the Hour: http://youtube.com/watch?v=JdCfcjmxouo&feature=related






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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: spiritualemerg]
    #7702242 - 12/01/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

When people begin to have these kinds of experiences in their life what I'm often most interested in is, what else is happening or has been happening?

My own understanding of psychosis is that it is a direct result of the eroding or collapse of one's sense of self-identity -- what might be termed "the ego" or "little self". There are deliberate means individuals can undertake to produce this state but life alone can also produce this process. This can be very overwhelming, very frightening if you don't have insight into what is going on but if you are aware that others have gone through the same or similar processes, and you have some insight into what you can do to help yourself... it becomes much more tolerable.

So, to back up, what else is/was going on in your life? For example, have you recently...

- Experienced a loss?
- Suffered a form of trauma?
- Experimented with "recreational" drugs?
- Been meditating?
- Practicing kundalini yoga?
- Other?

Meanwhile, a few articles that may be of interest to you:

- Presumed Causes of Schizophrenia & Psychosis
- Guidelines to Treatment of Psychosis: Dr. Loren Mosher
- How I Tamed the Voices in My Head


Note that there are some therapists listed on this page. It's always possible one of them is in your geographical area.


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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: spiritualemerg]
    #7702267 - 12/01/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

beneath: I've been on anti-depressants, zoloft made me suicidal, martazapine helped me a little, mostly with my sleep.
I said zoloft made me suicidal but no more suicidal than i've been before.


Given your personal history of psychiatric medication, this book may also be of interest to you: Your Drug May Be Your Problem - Dr. Peter Breggin

That's not to say that you should or should not take medication -- no one but you can make that choice. However, if you are going to take it you are surely entitled to make an informed choice. Some medications are associated with an increase in suicidal thoughts, hallucinations, etc. Again, it's quite possible that this goes back to what else was happening in your life when these voices began to manifest.

You can find more good info here: Psych Central Community Forum: Psychosis & Schizophrenia - Recommended Links



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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: spiritualemerg]
    #7702436 - 12/01/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

A bit more info before I go, beneath...




The image above represents Carl Jung's model of the psyche.  He purports that we all have a persona -- the "mask" we present to the outer world of who we really are.  Beneath the persona is the ego and beneath that is the shadow.  The shadow is where we store all the experiences that are too painful, frightening, shameful, etc. for us to want to look at. 

Because of their "frightening" aspects, I'm going to assume that these "voices" you are hearing are elements of your personal or even, collective shadow rising into consciousness as a result of a crack or collapse in your sense of identity.  We don't know what produced the crack, but now that it's there, shadow content is leaking out. 

This can be an opportunity for deep healing if we are able to remain open to the experience.  Often, it is helpful to interpret the rising content metaphorically as opposed to literally.  These voices telling you to kill yourself may be telling you that there is something within you that already has died or needs to die -- not a physical death but a metaphorical/psycho-spiritual one.  We must be careful in the interpretations we draw.  You are not supposed to die; something within you has died or needs to.

It can be helpful to work with a skilled therapist.  If there is trauma in your past, I would recommend a therapist who's skilled in trauma therapy.  Therapists with a background in depth or transpersonal psychology may also feel more comfortable working with this content in a productive manner.  Mainstream psychiatry on the other hand, is more likely to impose a rigid biomedical model and thus, to pathologize your personal experience and encourage you to stifle these aspects of the deeper self that lurks "beneath" via medication, stigma, and shame.

I sincerely hope all of the above provides some assistance to you.  Please make use of that which is genuinely helpful to you and discard the rest.  And by the way, I love music too. :smile:

Namaste.

See also: How to Produce an Acute Schizophrenic Break

Music of the Hour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLqOwiZ8n5I


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