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EternalCowabunga
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: trendal]
#7635222 - 11/14/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am just wondering if the reason why people are telling the OP to go see a doctor is because they do not have the same experience or can't relate to what the OP is going through and so they hand off the responsibility to a person in authority
I personally have been in the OP's shoes and I know he doesn't need to see a doctor if he doesn't want to, and especially if he is paranoid.
beneath, i'd be glad to talk to you, feel free to PM me
edit: to the person who posted right before me - you say you only know about the voices through your uncle and you have no experience of them. are you sure you want to project yourself as an authority on the matter?
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7635237 - 11/14/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am just wondering if the reason why people are telling the OP to go see a doctor is because they do not have the same experience or can't relate to what the OP is going through and so they hand off the responsibility to a person in authority
That is exactly the reason we are suggesting that, and it's exactly the reason we should be suggesting that.
Much better than saying "I don't have any inkling of what your going through...but here's what I would do." That is the most dangerous type of advice possible.
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: trendal]
#7635238 - 11/14/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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MushroomTrip said: I've been wondering the same thing - why so many advice to go and seek professional help? 
This advice (see a specialist) should be given to everyone who asks for help in here (ok, not for a stubbed toe...but you get what I mean).
Let me make this clear...if you are not, in fact, a doctor yourself, you have no business telling someone not to go see a doctor. The default line in this forum is "see a doctor", and it should be.
This is an advice forum, and given the fact that he feels uncomfortable with seeing a doctor, I advised him not to go since he can only receive help if he really thinks that it will help him. Also... tell me, how would this forum look like and what purpose would it serve if everybody would be using the default line?
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7635247 - 11/14/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i don't know if i had control of these thoughts or not, it certainly didn't feel like it, it felt like the opposite, but i told it to fuck off because i didn't want to comply with it's "request", i couldn't stop the thought but i didn't do what it said but i was very close to, it sounded more real than anything I've ever experienced, almost like an evil spiritual experience.
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: trendal]
#7635249 - 11/14/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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trendal said: I am just wondering if the reason why people are telling the OP to go see a doctor is because they do not have the same experience or can't relate to what the OP is going through and so they hand off the responsibility to a person in authority
That is exactly the reason we are suggesting that, and it's exactly the reason we should be suggesting that.
Much better than saying "I don't have any inkling of what your going through...but here's what I would do." That is the most dangerous type of advice possible.
I understand, you're just trying to help
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7635250 - 11/14/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also... tell me, how would this forum look like and what purpose would it serve if everybody would be using the default line?
It would look much the same as it does now... 
You're assuming that we only offer up that advice. It's ok to say "see a doctor, but here's what I think..."
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: trendal]
#7635281 - 11/14/07 01:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am sorry, but I can't give this advice to someone who is obviously uncomfortable with the thought of seeing a psychologist.
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: beneath]
#7635289 - 11/14/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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beneath said: i don't know if i had control of these thoughts or not, it certainly didn't feel like it, it felt like the opposite, but i told it to fuck off because i didn't want to comply with it's "request", i couldn't stop the thought but i didn't do what it said but i was very close to, it sounded more real than anything I've ever experienced, almost like an evil spiritual experience.
Well first of all I think that you should provide us with as much detail as possible, about your life, experiences tat affected you the most, everything can come as great aid in helping you understand what's happening to you.
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7635317 - 11/14/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i might do that, it would be one long ass post though, i might do it sometime later or in a few days, i don't know but it feels like allot has been "stirred" inside my head and i don't want to stir it much more for now.
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: trendal]
#7635343 - 11/14/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guys I never claimed to be a damn doctor or anything. Don't criticise me for trying to relate to this person and offering advice. None of your replies are any more helpful than mine, none of us are qualified psychiatrists in here. Take meds, don't take meds I am clearly not one to say for sure. Hearing a voice one time in your life probably is not so bad. I've been locked down in mental institutions twice in my life for suicidal thoughts and met some people that were clearly 1000X's worse off then I was, people that are completely f.cked up beyond repair. Two 72 hour lock downs in a peroid of only 2 weeks was enough to show me some people have metal issues beyond your wildest imagination.
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: beneath]
#7635344 - 11/14/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Any time you feel comfortable with it  I wish you the best and lots of strength and Will.
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7635360 - 11/14/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7635373 - 11/14/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been locked down in mental institutions twice in my life for suicidal thoughts and met some people that were clearly 1000X's worse off then I was, people that are completely f.cked up beyond repair. Two 72 hour lock downs in a peroid of only 2 weeks was enough to show me some people have metal issues beyond your wildest imagination.
The second time was a much nicer place tho. I met an extremely hot Costa Rican chick that gave me a blow job. She was in there because she just had issues about how she was cheating on her husband. -Totally worth it.
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7635431 - 11/14/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7635702 - 11/14/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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MushroomTrip said: I am sorry, but I can't give this advice to someone who is obviously uncomfortable with the thought of seeing a psychologist.
I am uncomfortable with asking my dentist if I need my wisdom teeth out, because of the expense and the pain involved should he recommend I get them out. But that does not mean I should not do that. Medical inquiries can be intimidating. Somebody having disturbing thoughts of suicide and homicide should speak to a physician.
Look at the title of the thread.
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7636560 - 11/14/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey man, just like theres only so much the shroomery can do, theres only so much a physicist can do too. God is the ultimate doctor. and he's everywhere, all the time. He created doctors
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: Shredman]
#7636601 - 11/14/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Let's stick to the real stuff and not fairy tales.
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: beneath]
#7636837 - 11/14/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I feel I am in a position to reply. Just take it as I say it. I speak only from subjective personal experience. In my opinion, this sounds more like a spiritual crises then a mental one.
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I started thinking how my life has become almost complete darkness and it felt like something seriously evil was inside me. I was thinking "these ain't my thoughts, i don't want to kill myself"
Good call. That feels like your higher self stepping in to remind you that you are not your thoughts.
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It is destroying me, it has destroyed allot of who i am, it is killing me. My self esteem is fucking gone, it is not there and i don't know where the fuck it went
You're under illusion. Keep in mind that thoughts (as well as most aspects of reality) can be chariots for spirit. Right now, a dark aspect of your psyche, a negative energy, is generating a lot of fear for you, using your thoughts. You feel that this aspect is NOT YOU, you KNOW that these are *not your thoughts.* But it's staggering to consider that you have this "thing" in your head, this thing that is telling you to die. And you know it is not you. But why is it there at all, telling you all those bad things?
Am I right, having gleamed as much from your post? Well, I've been there. Some human beings seem to have more animated connections with the denizens inhabiting their inner worlds. The thing you must always remember is, NO MATTER WHAT, this *thing* no matter how seperate it might present itself as (and it has to, to keep the illusion going), IS *YOU.* It's just an aspect of you that you are now having to face. An unsavory aspect, to be sure, but one that bears examination and compassion regardless. Reacting in fear only increases your depth in the illusion of its seperation and "beingness" from you. Don't worry! Relax and don't let yourself get worked up. You've simply become aware that you are not your thoughts. It's all okay. Everything is already taken care of because you are technically made of the same stuff.
You are not your thoughts. You are not your feelings. Not your senses, or your intellect. You are not anything that you think you are. You are beyond all of that. You are the thing that cannot be spoken of. Your name doesn't belong to you. None of it does, and you are simply using it for the time being.
You are an empty vessel, and you are filled with spirit. It's all part of you, all One, but the density of our reality creates an illusion of seperation, and sometimes when that seperation comes from a negative place in our minds, the spirit that we sense through using thoughts and other recievers capable to us feels EVIL.
I have faced great evil in myself as well. I have been possessed at particular points of my life by energy beings from within who sought only to use my body and self for malevolent purposes. Including ones that sought to be my own demise, sought to destroy everything positive in my life. But it's okay. I learned how to co-exist with them. Why do they want to sow such discord and fear? Well, I think it's because they are afraid. The only way to combat fear is through love, and compassion, INCLUDING for these aspects of yourself that seem so trecherous and deadly. It's the only way. So a part of you, a spirit from within and beyond, is using your thoughts for ill? Don't be afraid; just take a breath and imagine yourself to be bathed in white light. Don't underestimate the power of your imagination; it is a gateway to other realms. I'm not joking with you; I believe all of this because it is relevant to my own experiences. Bathe yourself in white light; say a prayer, or "I love you." Just try it. I bet you'll feel that deadly part of yourself squirm at the words, all uncomfortable. Why? Well, that part of yourself, that spirit energy of the totality of your being, has been hidden, kept silent and in the dark for awhile. Over time, if it is ignored and cast aside, unheard, its voice has to grow louder. So it gets louder and full of resentment and hate, until it makes its presence known so stridently that you are scared at what you are hearing and realizing about yourself.
Well, accept it. Everyone is evil. Everyone is good. So what. Those are only words. We all have every potential, every which way. We can do everything and anything we like. Don't be cowed by this voice you are hearing, this presence you are sensing. It's okay. It's just part of you. Don't run. Face it. Watch it. Learn from it. Love it. Heal it. You can do it. You are already one with it at the root; you only need to fill yourself with light, and expose your dark aspects to radiance. We ALL cast shadows, man. EVERYONE. Sounds like your shadow side is just giving you a hard time. Don't worry.
I'm not telling you either way to seek help or not. You don't have to control your thoughts, man. Let them pass and flow through you, in and out again, let them go. Who cares; you are beyond your thoughts. Take notice of any presences, but don't freak; just LEARN. Breath, which when focused upon, can create a sense of balance in your energy. Just relax and breathe, that's all. Spend a few moments a few times a day going over your entire body and letting it go limp, with relief.
If your life is darkness dude, just give it the antidote of light. You can do it. All you have to do is be.
If you are feeling in immediate jeapardy of hurting yourself, that's when you go seek help. Don't question, just go. It will feel good to have a point of stability in a doctor, but keep in mind that they will not see your condition as a spiritual one, nor offer any solace in that area. They will treat you like you have a mental disease that needs "curing." And if you do, you do, I mean, that's your call, really. Do you? Or are you just...you...suddenly more aware of who he really is.
Face it, if you seek help or not...it's okay. You won't be harmed if you love your shadow.
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: MOTH]
#7638220 - 11/15/07 02:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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thank you, i know it is part of me but i don't know how it got so twisted, i will try to understand it....somehow.
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Re: shit i think i need some serious help, I'm freaking out man. [Re: beneath]
#7638317 - 11/15/07 03:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'm really having doubts about going for help, i don't see how i could be helped, i don't want to have to take medication, i took it for depression but i had to stop because i didn't like having to take a pill everyday to be numbed. this is pretty fucking gay, can't i just live a normal life?
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