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Re: wisdom and elitism [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7635829 - 11/14/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I want to include everyone in my agnosticism. :thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: wisdom and elitism [Re: Icelander]
    #7635838 - 11/14/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yes, for gods sake...


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Re: wisdom and elitism [Re: daytripper23]
    #7636081 - 11/14/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

for who's sake?


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: wisdom and elitism [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7636106 - 11/14/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

this room is like full of kids of trying to prove to each other whos parents are cooler.

or like holy war.

this is useless.

I'm off to mysticism.


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Re: wisdom and elitism [Re: Icelander]
    #7636133 - 11/14/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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jonathan_206 said:
You deny intrinsic human nature.




No YOU ARE WRONG:rofl2:
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If they're not subjective then how come everyone (like me) doesn't share them?




Maybe this proves that you are not human....?    :yoda:


>^;;^<


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Re: wisdom and elitism [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7636140 - 11/14/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you for checking in before leaving. Be sure to be home by supper or at least call your mother.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: wisdom and elitism [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7636145 - 11/14/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That's about the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.:heart:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: wisdom and elitism [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7636241 - 11/14/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Elitism is foolish, it inherently excludes the ideas of others and so is antithetical to the pursuit of further wisdom in oneself AND in others who are more impressionable. It is a mistake made by the wise for which they pay dearly and from which they never return when they make the statement, "I know more than you, and you, and you."

Should I be on the mysticism board instead of the P&S board? I'm not so big on paranormal mumbo-jumbo, but then I'm not so big on scientism and egomania either.


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You really are the worst kind of person.



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Re: wisdom and elitism [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7636479 - 11/14/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Elitism is foolish, it inherently excludes the ideas of others and so is antithetical to the pursuit of further wisdom in oneself AND in others who are more impressionable.




You cannot gain wisdom or knowledge without excluding the ideas of others. It's impossible.For whatever knowledge you have, there is an antithesis.


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Re: wisdom and elitism [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7636550 - 11/14/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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jonathan_206 said:
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Elitism is foolish, it inherently excludes the ideas of others and so is antithetical to the pursuit of further wisdom in oneself AND in others who are more impressionable.




You cannot gain wisdom or knowledge without excluding the ideas of others. It's impossible.For whatever knowledge you have, there is an antithesis.




This is true. However, wisdom should be able to withstand open and frank consideration of opposing viewpoints. If it cannot or will not, this is a sign of fallacy. I suppose, therefore, that elitism comes from incomplete or flawed wisdom, or perhaps by wisdom tainted with insecurity. My point stands.


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You really are the worst kind of person.



Edited by Tchan909 (11/14/07 06:07 PM)


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Re: wisdom and elitism [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7636569 - 11/14/07 06:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Elitism
The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.





Thinking that someone else's ideas are incorrect does not mean that you believe you should receive favorted treatment. I think that this discussion is actually about wisdom and superiority, and not about elitism at all.


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Re: wisdom and elitism [Re: Veritas]
    #7636594 - 11/14/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You mean we need to start all over now?:sad:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: wisdom and elitism [Re: Veritas]
    #7636602 - 11/14/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps elitism isn't the word I'm looking for. I'm not really sure what the word I'm looking for is. "Egomania" is too strong. "Elitism" is too political. Perhaps the correct term is ideological chauvinism? I see a lot of it.

My point is I've lost count of the self-professed truth-seekers I've met who love to talk about open-mindedness and diversity but then proceed to trash Christians for no reason other than holding the beliefs they do. Or trippers at the shroomery who assume anybody who has trepidations about, or abstains from, the psychedelic experience is naive and foolish. It's absurd.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Edited by Tchan909 (11/14/07 06:15 PM)


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Re: wisdom and elitism [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7636693 - 11/14/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, ideological chauvinism sounds about right.


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