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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7641044 - 11/15/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

And I asked you where did you see that happening on a universal scale


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7641050 - 11/15/07 06:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I dont.

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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7641091 - 11/15/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I consider spiritual enlightenment an ongoing quest. Just because some individuals reached this state in their own time does not mean "everything" has been "discovered."

The world is constantly changing, and so too must its philosophies and spiritual doctrines so as to remain relevant and useful.




Can you demonstrate your point?




The old religions are on a steady march toward irrelevance because so much of their actual content is coming under scrutiny and being reconsidered by science and modern social sensibility.

Living a life of quiet contemplation in the mountaintops is all well and good, but to find a space of quiet and inner peace while living in the modern world? That's a whole different ballgame from anything anyone has faced, and yet that is the task before many of us. Never mind that about half the human population is in a constant process of starving to death, and in spite of the fact that we are now actually in a position to eradicate poverty and hunger at no real cost to ourselves we continue to horde our wealth and go to war. The solution to this issue is spiritual, and behold: no one has found it yet.




Nothing new here. The answers have been found but almost no one wants to use them. "Twas ever thus" Try again.




Heaven forbid we strive to do something that has never been done before.


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7641371 - 11/15/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

so what is this thread about?
I thought I knew but maybe could not handle it
then I thought it might be something else with same as it ever was attached as a by line.
is the point being made that no new enlightenment is available?
is it not obvious that any fleeting enlightenment is related to it's unique moment?
otherwise replay of old enlightements is projection.
will there be intermission with popcorn?


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7642667 - 11/16/07 12:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

still no one addressed my comment on this "discovering" thing.

if we can't discover anything new...that means i previous man already discovered it right? well wouldn't that lead all the way back to the first man having to know everything?

i think men overtime have discovered new things about spirituality and philosophy

phi·los·o·phy /fɪˈlɒsəfi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fi-los-uh-fee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -phies.
1. the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.
2. any of the three branches, namely natural philosophy, moral philosophy, and metaphysical philosophy, that are accepted as composing this study.
3. a system of philosophical doctrine: the philosophy of Spinoza.
4. the critical study of the basic principles and concepts of a particular branch of knowledge, esp. with a view to improving or reconstituting them: the philosophy of science.
5. a system of principles for guidance in practical affairs.
6. a philosophical attitude, as one of composure and calm in the presence of troubles or annoyances.

your definition of philosophy seems way too narrow. i think knowledge is limitless.....
there are things out there (i presume) that we are physically incapable of understanding. discovery to me means understanding....and there are many things we don't understand yet....and somethings i think we will be able to understand in the distant future that we could never understand before.

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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Veritas]
    #7643457 - 11/16/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Individual enlightenment, yes.  Collective enlightenment, no.  You must first be seeking before you can find, and the collective is NOT seeking.  This has been true throughout recorded history, and very likely throughout the existence of humans.  Few of us choose to examine our lives, and so the availability of information is irrelevant to the likelihood of collective enlightenment.





Yes yes yes :thumbup:


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: TameMe]
    #7643478 - 11/16/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)


if we can't discover anything new...that means i previous man already discovered it right? well wouldn't that lead all the way back to the first man having to know everything?

i think men overtime have discovered new things about spirituality and philosophy


Yes, most likely the first man didn't consciously create the whole of philosophy and spirituality. It happened over time.

I'm not disputing this. I'm saying all the things we need to know about these subjects have been discovered. Now it's all just stirring the pot with the same ingredients and getting slightly different spoonfuls.

Tell me something new that hasn't been addressed in the past?


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7643583 - 11/16/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Tell me something new that hasn't been addressed in the past?


A flying billygoat named Roxanne is about to smash through your bedroom window.


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to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Lion]
    #7643587 - 11/16/07 10:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7643624 - 11/16/07 10:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This reminds me of a statement that I believe was released by the US Patent Office around the end of the 19th century:

"Everything that can be invented has been invented."

So much for airplanes, computers, television, the space shuttle, the internet, cell phones, videos, CDs, DVDs, etc.

I think your premise here is about as short-sighted as the patent office in this example.


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Silversoul]
    #7643764 - 11/16/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Prove me wrong.


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Lion]
    #7643768 - 11/16/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Tell me something new that hasn't been addressed in the past?


A flying billygoat named Roxanne is about to smash through your bedroom window.




Not a philosophical or spiritual concept. Try again.


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7643811 - 11/16/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Prove me wrong.



We'll have to wait for the next great philosopher to come along.


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Silversoul]
    #7643835 - 11/16/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Don't hold your breath unless you're into population control.

New philosophers are cropping up all the time, take Eckhart Tolle for instance. He's great, people love him, and he really has nothing new to say. He's just repackaged ancient wisdom for modern folk. Nothing wrong with that.

In the Bible is sez: "There is nothing new under the sun" You may have read that book.:D


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7643905 - 11/16/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I happen to think Nietzsche and Heidegger were radical departures from any of the ancient Greek philosophers. New ideas evolve gradually, but they are quite distinct when you compare them to the ideas of hundreds or thousands of years ago.


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Silversoul]
    #7643916 - 11/16/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

They were the past. I'm talking about the present. The power of NOW!:lol: It's all over dude. The fat lady sang. I'm up on the roof with me fiddle.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Edited by Icelander (11/16/07 12:11 PM)

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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7643953 - 11/16/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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They were the past. I'm talking about the present. The power of NOW!:lol: It's all over dude. The fat lady sang. I'm up on the roof with me fiddle. 



So we kept having new ideas from ancient times up until the early 20th century and now there will never be any more?  Sorry dude, you're really reaching here.  The capacity of human creativity is limitless.


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Silversoul]
    #7643964 - 11/16/07 12:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Back to prove me wrong. Tell me something new. Come on.  I dare ya. I double dare ya.

My guess is that their ideas weren't new either but built on the past but Veritas would know more about that then I. But give me a couple of their "new" discoveries and I'll see what I can do with them. :wink:


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7643972 - 11/16/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

All new ideas are built upon past ones.  That's how it works with anything.  It's called progress.  And don't give me this shit about proving you wrong.  If you're asking for new ideas that have no basis in previous ones, then you'll have to back to the first idea in history.  All others have been built on those that came before them.  Prove me wrong. :tongue:


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Silversoul]
    #7643992 - 11/16/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I don't need to. That's what I'm saying. "There is nothing new under the sun".


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