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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Veritas]
    #7640634 - 11/15/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well, if we take a Socratic view, then not only has everything important been discovered, but it's actually already in your mind, waiting to be brought out through proper examination(i.e. the Socratic method).


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Silversoul]
    #7640645 - 11/15/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Live the questions!  :wink:


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Silversoul]
    #7640660 - 11/15/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Collective enlightenment would be a completely new concept. Its possible...

Specially with wikipedia!


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7640701 - 11/15/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Information is not enlightenment.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7640731 - 11/15/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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daytripper23 said:
Collective enlightenment would be a completely new concept. Its possible...

Specially with wikipedia!




There are infinite possibilities that are so remote as to be, IMO, impossible. What's your point?


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Veritas]
    #7640735 - 11/15/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Right I know, but all the philosophy that is in this forum is in the form of information...and philosophy can certainly be tied to enlightenment.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7640758 - 11/15/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It's all in the application, IMO.  You can be inundated with valid, relevant information, but if you cannot or will not apply it to your behavior and habitual thoughts, it will not result in personal change.

IMO, enlightenment is more of an occasional flash, as opposed to a state one can "attain."  The key is to keep remembering the flash after the lights are off again. :wink:


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Veritas]
    #7640783 - 11/15/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes of course reading about enlightenment doesnt make one enlightened. But that doesn't imply that it has nothing to do with the process of application.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7640791 - 11/15/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well, you do need to know before you can apply, but this does not mean that Wikipedia is going to result in collective enlightenment.  Very few people are using the internet to seek out knowledge...unless it is carnal knowledge. :wink:


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Veritas]
    #7640799 - 11/15/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Very few people are using the internet to seek out knowledge...unless it is carnal knowledge

I don't know WHAT you're talking about! :seeya:


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Veritas]
    #7640816 - 11/15/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Again, im not saying that information = enlightenment.

What enlightenment is, I don't claim to know. But if it is something taught by existance, which seems to make sense to me, then the spreading of information concerning life would be highly relavent.

What is different about this than when the printing press was invented? Do you think books are equally useless in regaurds to enlightenment?


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7640835 - 11/15/07 05:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Individual enlightenment, yes. Collective enlightenment, no. You must first be seeking before you can find, and the collective is NOT seeking. This has been true throughout recorded history, and very likely throughout the existence of humans. Few of us choose to examine our lives, and so the availability of information is irrelevant to the likelihood of collective enlightenment.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Veritas]
    #7640930 - 11/15/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I disagree. The way I see it, we are all heading in this direction whether we know it or not. Any tiny thing we learn about existance (which we all learn about) may lead to revelation. We evolve because we do. I don't pretend to know what drives this process, and perhaps for this reason your idea of deliberation is more perfect in theory.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7640935 - 11/15/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

We are all exposed to existence, but this does not mean that we all learn about it. An unexamined life is NOT educational.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Veritas]
    #7640952 - 11/15/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:

So there are people out there who literally dont know shit?


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7640967 - 11/15/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Why does anything evolve? Take a look at the crudest lifeforms, and evidence does not point towards deliberation. Just kind of does.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7640981 - 11/15/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Physical evolution and collective enlightenment are not similar processes. The rules of physical evolution go like this: those who can make babies, win! The rules of enlightenment seem to be: those who are able to examine their lives & gain some perspective, win!


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Veritas]
    #7641005 - 11/15/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

But our enlightenment is not really seperate from evolution. Our deliberation to become enlightened (and everything else we do)could be considered an evolutionary process. I dont see how you seperate the two.

Edit: never say should!


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7641031 - 11/15/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"Our" deliberation as human beings?
What do you mean by that? I don't know anything about this on a universal level.
But from my observations, a big part of the people who sustain that do it because they delude themselves into thinking that maybe if they say it long enough without actually taking any action, something will happen and they will become enlightened.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7641039 - 11/15/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

To deliberately seek enlightenment, as Veritas asserts is necessary in the process.


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