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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
#7636217 - 11/14/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess the point of my post is really to appreciate those giants and realize that we are not better or smarter than they were. We are all working on the same things and have been as far back as recorded history.
Personally I think it's amazing that some one like Epictetus was the inspiration for Rational Emotive Therapy. I realize that there are limits to the important questions and I don't need to be looking for something original as if there is some missing part to the important questions of existence. It's all here now.
Right on. Then we are on the same page after all.
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7636230 - 11/14/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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More often then you might think.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
#7636244 - 11/14/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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discovering yourself can continue beyond puberty... and i doubt many others have done that before you.
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Clean]
#7636262 - 11/14/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have no idea what you mean by that?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
#7636283 - 11/14/07 05:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No one has ever discovered you before.
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Veritas]
#7636357 - 11/14/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not even me. 
But that's another subject.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (11/14/07 05:38 PM)
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
#7637490 - 11/14/07 09:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I knew my post would get the responses it did and that many wouldn't realize what my point was. I like that as it makes me feel a little bit like Jesus. I wait until I get a certain response that stimulates me to say it in another way and make my point. I don't know why but I just really like posting that way.
I don't know, it really sounds to me like you're just wingin' it
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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
#7637517 - 11/14/07 09:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: I consider spiritual enlightenment an ongoing quest. Just because some individuals reached this state in their own time does not mean "everything" has been "discovered."
The world is constantly changing, and so too must its philosophies and spiritual doctrines so as to remain relevant and useful.
Can you demonstrate your point?
The old religions are on a steady march toward irrelevance because so much of their actual content is coming under scrutiny and being reconsidered by science and modern social sensibility.
Living a life of quiet contemplation in the mountaintops is all well and good, but to find a space of quiet and inner peace while living in the modern world? That's a whole different ballgame from anything anyone has faced, and yet that is the task before many of us. Never mind that about half the human population is in a constant process of starving to death, and in spite of the fact that we are now actually in a position to eradicate poverty and hunger at no real cost to ourselves we continue to horde our wealth and go to war. The solution to this issue is spiritual, and behold: no one has found it yet.
-------------------- Enlil said: You really are the worst kind of person.
Edited by Tchan909 (11/14/07 09:42 PM)
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
#7637646 - 11/14/07 10:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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For some reason, I'm thinking of a quote from Bladerunner "These moments will be lost, like tears in the rain." and Sisyphus.
And perhaps Madonna "Like a virgin, touched for the very first time."
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
#7637700 - 11/14/07 10:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: In the realm of P&S I mean.
In all your searching for "truth" and the "way" you will just find out for yourself what some human discovered thousands of years ago or before.
This is so wrong I don't need to read the other replies. DNA structure was discovered 50 years ago. The internet was invented about 25 years ago. I don't even know why I replied to this?
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
#7638359 - 11/15/07 04:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: ya right we rediscover that we know knothing
We rediscover that we are not unique. That these are age old questions and we most likely will not find "the" ultimate answers to life. We will still be exploring the human condition with all it's limitations just as our ancestors did. That to me is somehow powerful.
that is a depressed mask of distortion. each one of us is unique but limited in simmilar ways. as always has been.
the title of the thread is wrong but you corrected it by pointing at a spiritual aspect. Truly, a few spiritual issues are unchanging.
this mask of negativity can be spread too far (that is something common and ancient too - being wrong but continuing anyway to fulfill mental momentum)
In actuality, everyone is unique, every moment is unique, nothing has happenned before quite like this, nor will it repeat quite like this.
Yes you can find common patterns, yes it will help to connect things in your mind using common patterns, yes it will help you make decisions.
but you need to identify the FUNK and dispell it. it darkens your vision and your voice. try not to spread the dark dispair of meaninglessness that you can achieve so expertly by stretching a small truth too far.
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
#7639066 - 11/15/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: (I like putting words in other poster's mouths.)
He is saying that he has discovered there is nothing to discover.
I am saying my discoveries are only new to me. Someone else already been there. I guess I am implying that however far we can go in the realm of P&S that place has already been reached and we will go no further.
so..... did the "first" man discover everything? i certainly don't think that was the case. i refuse to believe your theory. i think science will be able to prove or disprove some of our beliefs today....meaning "discovering" something new...what is discovering? just speculating on something and believing it to be true??? i don't think so.
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: TameMe]
#7639373 - 11/15/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think what he's referring to is strictly limited to our capacity for the experience of life. If someone has fully realized themselves, and experienced full enlightenment, all we can do is "follow" the foot steps. Only physical evolution has a chance of opening new doors.
This is dependent on believing someone has actually reached full enlightenment, and that there has been no meaningful evolution within humanity in the last 6000 years.
The paradox is that we're all, already fully enlightened, but there might be some crap in the way that prevents us from seeing it. There's no where to go because we're already there.
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: elbisivni]
#7639479 - 11/15/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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elbisivni said:
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Icelander said: I knew my post would get the responses it did and that many wouldn't realize what my point was. I like that as it makes me feel a little bit like Jesus. I wait until I get a certain response that stimulates me to say it in another way and make my point. I don't know why but I just really like posting that way.
I don't know, it really sounds to me like you're just wingin' it
All my life friend.
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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#7639494 - 11/15/07 12:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said:
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Icelander said:
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Tchan909 said: I consider spiritual enlightenment an ongoing quest. Just because some individuals reached this state in their own time does not mean "everything" has been "discovered."
The world is constantly changing, and so too must its philosophies and spiritual doctrines so as to remain relevant and useful.
Can you demonstrate your point?
The old religions are on a steady march toward irrelevance because so much of their actual content is coming under scrutiny and being reconsidered by science and modern social sensibility.
Living a life of quiet contemplation in the mountaintops is all well and good, but to find a space of quiet and inner peace while living in the modern world? That's a whole different ballgame from anything anyone has faced, and yet that is the task before many of us. Never mind that about half the human population is in a constant process of starving to death, and in spite of the fact that we are now actually in a position to eradicate poverty and hunger at no real cost to ourselves we continue to horde our wealth and go to war. The solution to this issue is spiritual, and behold: no one has found it yet.
Nothing new here. The answers have been found but almost no one wants to use them. "Twas ever thus" Try again.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: TameMe]
#7639500 - 11/15/07 12:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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TameMe said:
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Icelander said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: (I like putting words in other poster's mouths.)
He is saying that he has discovered there is nothing to discover.
I am saying my discoveries are only new to me. Someone else already been there. I guess I am implying that however far we can go in the realm of P&S that place has already been reached and we will go no further.
so..... did the "first" man discover everything? i certainly don't think that was the case. i refuse to believe your theory. i think science will be able to prove or disprove some of our beliefs today....meaning "discovering" something new...what is discovering? just speculating on something and believing it to be true??? i don't think so.
i refuse to believe your theory.
Go for it.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: redgreenvines]
#7639523 - 11/15/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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try not to spread the dark dispair of meaninglessness that you can achieve so expertly by stretching a small truth too far.
Yes Redgreenvines I am the and will spread meaninglessness and dispair to the hordes of hapless humans who are under my power. 
In other words this is nonsense. I'm not spreading anything. I discussing a topic of interest in this forum. If you can't handle it then don't read it.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: freddurgan]
#7640459 - 11/15/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: In the realm of P&S I mean.
In all your searching for "truth" and the "way" you will just find out for yourself what some human discovered thousands of years ago or before.
This is so wrong I don't need to read the other replies. DNA structure was discovered 50 years ago. The internet was invented about 25 years ago. I don't even know why I replied to this?
"In the realm of P&S" does not include DNA OR the internet. 
If you read ancient philosophers, you will find that they introduced the basic ideas which modern philosophers have re-worked. This is what this post is about.
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Veritas]
#7640527 - 11/15/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes ancient philosophers described the branches of philosophy, and we could describe modern notions as "Oh, thats just ethics, or metaphysics, transcendentalism, these implications have been explored."
Or taken even further, anything anybody ever said about anything at all could be considered insignificant in that "Oh, thats just existance you know"
I think its conceiveable that the interconnectedness of the world by internet might someday bring us to a revolutionary level of awareness. But it's still just existance...
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
#7640615 - 11/15/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Discovered and explored are not the same thing. We can constantly find new ways to explore and apply ancient knowledge, but it makes sense to put it in perspective as "old wine in new bottles."
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