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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7635167 - 11/14/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
In the realm of P&S I mean.

In all your searching for "truth" and the "way" you will just find out for yourself what some human discovered thousands of years ago or before.




The point is that you are discovering it.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7635188 - 11/14/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

(I like putting words in other poster's mouths.)

He is saying that he has discovered there is nothing to discover.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7635239 - 11/14/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:but it's old hash in a new can.


Yet hash it remains! :blazed:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Lion]
    #7635245 - 11/14/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Deep-fried SPAM on a stick...


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Silversoul]
    #7635259 - 11/14/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There is always more to know.

If we knew everything, then we would be playing squash in the heavens.


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7635470 - 11/14/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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What you've said, seems to me to clearly point towards an absolute reality. This is not my attempt to put words in your mouth ice, I am just describing the implications of what you say towards my own conception of reality.




Not necessarily. What it may "clearly" point to is the limits of human understanding. We may not be able to go any further as a species. Finite and all.




Yeah, "clearly" is definately up for interpretation here: :lol: 

Touche


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Silversoul]
    #7635480 - 11/14/07 02:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
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Icelander said:
In the realm of P&S I mean.



I suppose you make an exception here for science, but it seems that new scientific discoveries often open up new philosophical questions.




Can you share one of these new philosophical questions?


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7635490 - 11/14/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
(I like putting words in other poster's mouths.)

He is saying that he has discovered there is nothing to discover.




I am saying my discoveries are only new to me. Someone else already been there. I guess I am implying that however far we can go in the realm of P&S that place has already been reached and we will go no further.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Edited by Icelander (11/14/07 02:45 PM)


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7635511 - 11/14/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

To say we are all binded in this same way seems to implicate absolution (even if it is meaningless).

O and to get one thing straight, I am advocating neither meaning or meaningless, although they are obvious implications...

Science, Logic, Religion, Philosophy, are at most man made associations that provide context, and believing that they are more than this is the most common dogma.



Edited by daytripper23 (11/14/07 03:13 PM)


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7635593 - 11/14/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm sorry you're quitting.:(





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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7635631 - 11/14/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

To say we are all binded in this same way seems to implicate absolution (even if it is meaningless).

Who said this?:confused:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7635649 - 11/14/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Were you not saying that we are all subject to the same thing?


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7635653 - 11/14/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
(I like putting words in other poster's mouths.)

He is saying that he has discovered there is nothing to discover.




I am saying my discoveries are only new to me. Someone else already been there. I guess I am implying that however far we can go in the realm of P&S that place has already been reached and we will go no further. 




Don't go putting words in your own mouth. :nono:


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7635741 - 11/14/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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daytripper23 said:
Were you not saying that we are all subject to the same thing?




No, I said everything we have discovered in the realm of P&S has already been discovered in the past. I did say I was implying it may be be that we have gone as far as we can but I didn't say I knew that for sure.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Edited by Icelander (11/14/07 03:35 PM)


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7635892 - 11/14/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:

I am saying my discoveries are only new to me. Someone else already been there. I guess I am implying that however far we can go in the realm of P&S that place has already been reached and we will go no further. 




Who cares. :shrug: It doesn't make a difference to me if some desert ascetic in Judea 'discovered' an experience 2000 years ago, his experience was his. My experience is mine. It doesn't matter if someone else has already been there. I don't need my mystical realm to be virgin territory. The point is having the experience.

Besides, everyone interprets and understands the 'same' experiences in thier own unique way, combining different ideas and insights in novel ways. This is how ideas develop and shift. No one ever comes up with anything entirely unique - we're standing on the shoulders of giants, as it were.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7635916 - 11/14/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

ya right
we rediscover that we know knothing


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7636007 - 11/14/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Icelander said:

I am saying my discoveries are only new to me. Someone else already been there. I guess I am implying that however far we can go in the realm of P&S that place has already been reached and we will go no further. 




Who cares. :shrug: It doesn't make a difference to me if some desert ascetic in Judea 'discovered' an experience 2000 years ago, his experience was his. My experience is mine. It doesn't matter if someone else has already been there. I don't need my mystical realm to be virgin territory. The point is having the experience.

Besides, everyone interprets and understands the 'same' experiences in thier own unique way, combining different ideas and insights in novel ways. This is how ideas develop and shift. No one ever comes up with anything entirely unique - we're standing on the shoulders of giants, as it were.




I'm not arguing any of this. I guess the point of my post is really to appreciate those giants and realize that we are not better or smarter than they were. We are all working on the same things and have been as far back as recorded history.

Personally I think it's amazing that some one like Epictetus was the inspiration for Rational Emotive Therapy. I realize that there are limits to the important questions and I don't need to be looking for something original as if there is some missing part to the important questions of existence. It's all here now.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7636019 - 11/14/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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ya right
we rediscover that we know knothing




We rediscover that we are not unique. That these are age old questions and we most likely will not find "the" ultimate answers to life. We will still be exploring the human condition with all it's limitations just as our ancestors did. That to me is somehow powerful.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7636052 - 11/14/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ah, I was under the impression of otherwise.

Icelander the Enigma...


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7636067 - 11/14/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I knew my post would get the responses it did and that many wouldn't realize what my point was. I like that as it makes me feel a little bit like Jesus.:rofl2: I wait until I get a certain response that stimulates me to say it in another way and make my point. I don't know why but I just really like posting that way.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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