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InvisibleIcelander
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Everthing important has already been discovered.
    #7630297 - 11/13/07 12:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

In the realm of P&S I mean.

In all your searching for "truth" and the "way" you will just find out for yourself what some human discovered thousands of years ago or before.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7630393 - 11/13/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Even the most seemingly basic things become re(de)fined by finding better and more precise means to measure and conceptualize reality onto the canvas of our minds.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7630409 - 11/13/07 01:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe so, but what good does a discovery made by someone thousands of years ago have if you can't verify it for yourself? You can agree with them, take in their words and ideas and accept them, but that doesn't mean that you see what they saw.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: dblaney]
    #7630419 - 11/13/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

realizations are always fresh.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7630429 - 11/13/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
In the realm of P&S I mean.

In all your searching for "truth" and the "way" you will just find out for yourself what some human discovered thousands of years ago or before.




including this post.  you aren't telling me anything I didn't already know  :tongue:


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7630555 - 11/13/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

BlueCoyote said:
Even the most seemingly basic things become re(de)fined by finding better and more precise means to measure and conceptualize reality onto the canvas of our minds.




NOT! This is one of humanities little self-important delusions. Especially for those who haven't read the big thinkers of the past. We rework it into modern lingo and then pat ourselves on the sholder but it's old hash in a new can. This is especially true of the young who believe that history began with their birth and will end with their death and every "new" discovery is the amazing and they just gotta tell their friends that they are on to something big here. I did the same for most of my life.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: kotik]
    #7630564 - 11/13/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

kotik said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
In the realm of P&S I mean.

In all your searching for "truth" and the "way" you will just find out for yourself what some human discovered thousands of years ago or before.




including this post.  you aren't telling me anything I didn't already know  :tongue:




This is for those who don't know.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7630615 - 11/13/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

In the book, "Way of the Peaceful Warrior", Dan Millman was introduced to a fellow student/disciple of 'Socrates', their teacher. The other student asked, "Oh, is Socrates having you do hundred mile runs or walking on coals?" Socrates interjected non-sarcastically, but with a sly grin, "No, we are working on something much more difficult. We are working on how to properly eat, stand and breathe."


When I teach racquetball, I always stress mastering the basics. If only I could learn them myself as I still wolf down my food, slouch and shallow breathe.


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Edited by OrgoneConclusion (11/13/07 02:04 PM)


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7630759 - 11/13/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
In the realm of P&S I mean.

In all your searching for "truth" and the "way" you will just find out for yourself what some human discovered thousands of years ago or before.




Yeah but there's just something which makes us keep talking :shrug:


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All this time I've missed you
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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7630869 - 11/13/07 02:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I might agree with this if our thought processes were purely intellectual. New things are being artistically expressed everyday though.

But perhaps like you said, even what art expresses could be by no means unique from one piece of art to another. If art is fundamentally expressing the same thing, this might be called a unified "meaning" or conception of art.

How what we do relates to a possible ultimate structure might be called life's meaning (or non meaning if there is no ultimate structure). Deriving meaning in this way is not my cup of tea though. To me, possibility of meaning is not found in what we objectively do (which might be the same like you said), but how we go about doing it.

Or think of it this way: western music is composed of 12 tones, and in this sense it is all the same. But I think what some musicians are doing these days as completely unique, even revolutionary. Sure, all it is is a complex arrangements of tone over time...

What you've said, seems to me to clearly point towards an absolute reality. This is not my attempt to put words in your mouth ice, I am just describing the implications of what you say towards my own conception of reality.

I just wanna let you know that you might inadvertently be preaching God's glory to some of us.:smirk:


Edited by daytripper23 (11/13/07 02:59 PM)


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7631357 - 11/13/07 04:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I consider spiritual enlightenment an ongoing quest. Just because some individuals reached this state in their own time does not mean "everything" has been "discovered."

The world is constantly changing, and so too must its philosophies and spiritual doctrines so as to remain relevant and useful.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7631650 - 11/13/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

But isn't it more fun to figure it out all by yourself?


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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7634343 - 11/14/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Tchan909 said:
I consider spiritual enlightenment an ongoing quest. Just because some individuals reached this state in their own time does not mean "everything" has been "discovered."

The world is constantly changing, and so too must its philosophies and spiritual doctrines so as to remain relevant and useful.



That's what I think, too.

For everything known, there always is a first time.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7634968 - 11/14/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
In the realm of P&S I mean.

In all your searching for "truth" and the "way" you will just find out for yourself what some human discovered thousands of years ago or before.




Yeah but there's just something which makes us keep talking :shrug:




For me it's kind of like watching TV but more interactive.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7634981 - 11/14/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Tchan909 said:
I consider spiritual enlightenment an ongoing quest. Just because some individuals reached this state in their own time does not mean "everything" has been "discovered."

The world is constantly changing, and so too must its philosophies and spiritual doctrines so as to remain relevant and useful.




Can you demonstrate your point?


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: adrug]
    #7634988 - 11/14/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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adrug said:
But isn't it more fun to figure it out all by yourself?




Can't be done. But you do have to understand it all by yourself.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Everything important has already been discovered. [Re: daytripper23]
    #7635009 - 11/14/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What you've said, seems to me to clearly point towards an absolute reality. This is not my attempt to put words in your mouth ice, I am just describing the implications of what you say towards my own conception of reality.

Not necessarily. What it may "clearly" point to is the limits of human understanding. We may not be able to go any further as a species. Finite and all.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7635059 - 11/14/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
In all your searching for "truth" and the "way" you will just find out for yourself what some human discovered thousands of years ago or before.



What difference does it make? What somebody else discovered doesn't mean anything to you until you discover it for yourself. Your options are to continue your exploration or quit. I know which I'll choose.


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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: elbisivni]
    #7635075 - 11/14/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sorry you're quitting.:(


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Everthing important has already been discovered. [Re: Icelander]
    #7635157 - 11/14/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
In the realm of P&S I mean.



I suppose you make an exception here for science, but it seems that new scientific discoveries often open up new philosophical questions.


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