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UK: 'Double jeopardy' rule dropped after 800 years
    #762924 - 07/20/02 07:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Makes sense to me. Leave the people defenseless and the only thing that will stop the resultant crime wave is a police state.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-358990,00.html
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July 18, 2002

'Double jeopardy' rule is dropped after 800 years
By Richard Ford, Philip Webster and Frances Gibb



PEOPLE cleared of murder, rape and armed robbery will be able to be retried for the same crimes under plans to reform the justice system proposed by David Blunkett yesterday.
The scrapping of the 800-year-old double jeopardy rule is part of the Home Secretary?s blueprint to bring Britain?s courts, prisons and police into the 21st century.

In another major reform, dangerous and sexual offenders would be kept in prison indefinitely while they remained a risk, to give the public greater protection.

Mr Blunkett?s White Paper, Justice for Everyone, was broadly welcomed by Lord Woolf, the Lord Chief Justice, last night, but he warned ministers that without adequate funding the reforms would fail and public confidence in the justice system would be further damaged. Lord Woolf was speaking after the Home Secretary admitted that he had not received funding for all his proposals and that some would have to be piloted.

Behind the scenes in Whitehall there was concern that the White Paper gave no details of the impact of the changes on prison numbers and the cost of the proposals, as well as how they would be financed.

Mr Blunkett is known to have pressed both the Prime Minister and Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, in the final stages of the Comprehensive Spending Review, for an inquiry into the funding of the Prison Service over the next 20 years. It would have been similar to the one conducted by Derek Wanless into funding of the health service.

The Chancellor rejected his proposal, and the Treasury was astonished to find a paragraph in the White Paper promising a major and detailed examination of the cost-effectiveness of the service. It was not in a copy of the White Paper cleared by the Treasury.

A Treasury spokesman made clear to the Home Office last night that no extra funds would be available to fund Mr Blunkett?s plans. ?The spending review set out funding plans for the Home Office until 2005-2006, incorporating the financing of prisons,? he said. ?Within these overall ceilings it is a matter for the Home Secretary to decide whether a review is necessary to improve and reform the management of the Prison Service and release resources for other priorities.?

Lord Woolf, in a speech at the Lord Mayor of the City of London?s annual banquet for judges, said that the ?crucial question? was whether the reforms would be properly resourced. ?If they are not,? he said, ?they will fail. The White Paper would then have raised expectations only to dash them, further damaging public confidence.?

The White Paper includes a range of new punishments aimed at reducing the jail population and plans to allow juveniles under 16, such as the Bulger killers, to be tried in more informal youth courts.


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Re: UK: 'Double jeopardy' rule dropped after 800 years [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #764232 - 07/21/02 11:18 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

You know what cracks me up about the mainstream English media is that every news story is written from the same angle: $$$$


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Re: UK: 'Double jeopardy' rule dropped after 800 years [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #764292 - 07/21/02 11:56 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting article Rail, but it does leave out the details, namely, WHY does removing the double jeopardy bring the UK into the 21st century? How does this further justice? Does anyone on this board want to see the US adopt this proposal?

My thoughts on keeping a person locked up indefinitely are this: if it is the punishment demanded by law, for instance, first degree murder carrys a life sentence, and in some areas of the world, the death penalty. If it is the intention to lock the sexual predator up for life, then it would be better to change the penalty area to reflect this. Locking up someone for what the MIGHT do is immoral, however, I see NO problem with making the punishment for the first offense a harsh one; even to the extent of life without the possibility of parole.


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Re: UK: 'Double jeopardy' rule dropped after 800 years [Re: mr freedom]
    #764339 - 07/21/02 12:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

WHY does removing the double jeopardy bring the UK into the 21st century?
How else can you institute a 'New World Order' unless you remove the tried and true legal sanctions designed to safeguard against government abuse of power and protect individuals' rights?


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    #764689 - 07/21/02 03:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Bingo... and a perfect example of why we don't want a "world court" or a "new world order".

Which I understand as the point of your post. Just wanted to clarify it for our liberal US hating friends.


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Re: UK: 'Double jeopardy' rule dropped after 800 years [Re: mr freedom]
    #765105 - 07/21/02 05:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting article Rail, but it does leave out the details, namely, WHY does removing the double jeopardy bring the UK into the 21st century

It doesn't. It brings England in to the 12th century.


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Re: UK: 'Double jeopardy' rule dropped after 800 years [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #766886 - 07/22/02 10:03 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well put Rail_Gun.


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Re: UK: 'Double jeopardy' rule dropped after 800 years [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #767314 - 07/22/02 12:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Truly that is the point I was hinting at. Keep a look will you and see if any reports surface AGAINST this stupidity.

Yes, Evolving, I presume that some sort of legislation will be forthcoming in congress, U.S., for the same purpose.


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Re: UK: 'Double jeopardy' rule dropped after 800 years [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #767883 - 07/22/02 03:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

When I first read this, I was drunk, or high or something. I remember I disagreed with it completely. Although I don't remember why. Who wants to start a revolution with me? It will be fun. But only if we win. If not we won't be in the history books. Nobody wants to not be in the history books.


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Re: UK: 'Double jeopardy' rule dropped after 800 y [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #772231 - 07/24/02 05:37 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Notice the title of the article states the rule is a done deal, when the body of the text makes it plain that as yet it is merely a proposal that may or may not be passed into law.

Headline scanning can be misleading.

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