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2008 Presidential Election
    #7629199 - 11/13/07 07:42 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sure most people in the U.S. by now have said they we need a new president. Which I totally agree.
Next November I will be voting for the first time....how exciting and patriotic. I don't know who I'm voting for yet, I'll figure it out. Who do you guys have in mind for '08?

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: dismantled02]
    #7629206 - 11/13/07 07:44 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

whoever's last name is NOT Bush, isn't black, and isn't female, the first one to bring home troops.

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: dismantled02]
    #7629408 - 11/13/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

B-Rock.


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: jeetered]
    #7629765 - 11/13/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

You must be talking about this guy.


Edited by Disco Cat (11/13/07 11:23 AM)

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7629819 - 11/13/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Ron Paul has my vote. Google his name, visit his site at RonPaul2008.com, or check out the great videos about him on Youtube.

You may want to consider voting in your states upcoming primary for one of the candidates that you would like to be in the general election in November. If so, check out this link for info about voter registration, party affiliation, and state deadlines and dates: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/primary-and-caucus-information/

If you have an questions, feel free to post them here or send me a private message.

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Mojo_Risin]
    #7629861 - 11/13/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I'm pretty sure nobody here doesn't know who Ron Paul is.


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: dismantled02]
    #7630114 - 11/13/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I dislike all of them, except for Kuccinich. I don't care if he is literally insane. He is the man.


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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: dismantled02]
    #7630379 - 11/13/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

All my favorites are dead so I won't be voting. (Frank Zappa, R.A.W., Timothy Leary.)


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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: dismantled02]
    #7630412 - 11/13/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I'd vote for either Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich, but I'm registered Independent, and my state doesn't have open primaries. So I'll see whatever fuckwads the Republicrats nominate, and if the race is close, I'll probably hold my nose and vote for the Democratic candidate(PLEASE don't let it be Hillary). If it looks like a landslide, I'll probably vote for the Libertarian candidate, or possibly the Green Party candidate, or a write-in vote for Sir Tokes-A-Lot.


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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Icelander]
    #7630493 - 11/13/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
All my favorites are dead so I won't be voting. (Frank Zappa,




Oh no not you too!


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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Silversoul]
    #7630684 - 11/13/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

god forbid you actually reregister....

:rolleyes:


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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: afoaf]
    #7632105 - 11/13/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah Ron Paul sounds good on our foreign policy but I don't know about eliminating the FBI, CIA, and etc. Although Congress would have to nullify the FBI, CIA, and etc.

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Silversoul]
    #7633034 - 11/13/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
I'd vote for either Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich, but I'm registered Independent, and my state doesn't have open primaries. So I'll see whatever fuckwads the Republicrats nominate, and if the race is close, I'll probably hold my nose and vote for the Democratic candidate(PLEASE don't let it be Hillary). If it looks like a landslide, I'll probably vote for the Libertarian candidate, or possibly the Green Party candidate, or a write-in vote for Sir Tokes-A-Lot.




If you re-register as a Republican for your states primary you can switch back to an Independent afterwards just in time for the general election. I'm an Independent and that's what I have done and will do after my states primary.


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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: dismantled02]
    #7633046 - 11/13/07 10:19 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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dismantled02 said:
Yeah Ron Paul sounds good on our foreign policy but I don't know about eliminating the FBI, CIA, and etc. Although Congress would have to nullify the FBI, CIA, and etc.




Its all about phasing them out or revolutionizing the positions within the departments because they are corrupt. The new CIA, FBI, etc, would actually work respectively within the bounds of the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence instead of dis-respectively beyond them.


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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: dismantled02]
    #7633677 - 11/14/07 02:09 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Yeah Ron Paul sounds good on our foreign policy but I don't know about eliminating the FBI, CIA, and etc. Although Congress would have to nullify the FBI, CIA, and etc.




Exactly! It's not like the day Ron Paul is elected the IRS disappears and money is suddenly backed by gold. He couldn't get either of those done in two terms. It's about moving in a different direction. He would be a truly conservative element in the executive branch and a tempering force against the chickenhawking and Big Spending on Bull$hit prevalent today on capital hill

I think voting third party is mainly important as an expression of values. To push against the idea the you'd be "throwing your vote away" on a more fringe candidate. Use your vote to express that not only do the choices suck, but the people's current approach to representative democracy sucks. Vote for who you think deserves your vote! It hardly counts anyway and it's more constructive as a declaration of intent than for what it's worth in a vote tally equating to a suggestion to the electoral college.

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Viveka]
    #7633685 - 11/14/07 02:12 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

If Paul runs, it's going to be an interesting election.

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Le_Canard]
    #7633899 - 11/14/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Viveka, I totally agree with you on how much our choices suck for this upcoming election. Too bad Colbert couldn't pull through in S. Carolina...haha.

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: dismantled02]
    #7634050 - 11/14/07 08:17 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

RON PAUL.
Finally, there is HOPE for America!

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: zendragon]
    #7638143 - 11/15/07 01:32 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Paul has about as much chance of winning as I do. He gets no national media coverage and doesnt run ads thus he will at best end up playing ross Perot and pull enough votes from the far right to ensure a left wing victory. The countrys only hope is with brrack oboma hes not perfect but he is a moderate step in the right direction. Truth be told we as drug users are fucked no matter what so I will see you guys in court and prison

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: drew345]
    #7638374 - 11/15/07 05:12 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

> Paul has about as much chance of winning as I do.

Most professional gambling sites put him anywhere from 11 to 1 all the way up to 6 to 1 odds. (I may have these backwards, I'm not a gambler...) I didn't notice your name up there anywhere. I think he has a much better chance of winning than you do, especially since you aren't even running (as far as I can tell).

That being said, he chances are pretty slim, but improving.


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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: drew345]
    #7639054 - 11/15/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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drew345 said:
Paul has about as much chance of winning as I do. He gets no national media coverage and doesnt run ads thus he will at best end up playing ross Perot and pull enough votes from the far right to ensure a left wing victory. The countrys only hope is with brrack oboma hes not perfect but he is a moderate step in the right direction. Truth be told we as drug users are fucked no matter what so I will see you guys in court and prison




He does run ads, radio (both terrestrial & satellite), television, & newspaper, because he is extremely well funded by his informed and ambitious supporters. Let me ask you something, for once in your life can you vote with your heart and mind and not just one of them? If so, then your vote may actually be of value to humanity and our planet.


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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Seuss]
    #7639059 - 11/15/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I saw him at 6% in a poll yesterday, where front-runners Romney/Huckabee are 25/21 respectively.

:strokebeard:


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7639080 - 11/15/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

His web site reports him to be at 8% in NH, ahead of Thompson and tied with mccain... and saying that they're buying more radio space.

New Hampshire, I think, is the first primary. People can ignore Ron Paul all they want and refuse to report about him in the media... but once he bites off a HUGE chunk of the pie in NH (even if he doesn't win), it'll be hard fore people to ignore him.

He's been on Leno and is gaining more ground

but still... until CNN starts talking abot him more.. it's gonna be tough

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Seuss]
    #7639099 - 11/15/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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> Paul has about as much chance of winning as I do.

Most professional gambling sites put him anywhere from 11 to 1 all the way up to 6 to 1 odds. (I may have these backwards, I'm not a gambler...) I didn't notice your name up there anywhere. I think he has a much better chance of winning than you do, especially since you aren't even running (as far as I can tell).

That being said, he chances are pretty slim, but improving.




Honestly I doubt Ron Paul will win.. BUT I would probablh give him better odds than Obama (or any other democrat that ISNT hillary)

Paul needs a spot on the Daily Show or MTV

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: BrAiN]
    #7639135 - 11/15/07 11:01 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I dont see how you can say that.

The fact is, while Obama may be trailing in the polls now, those first few caucuses will make the polls irrelevant very quickly.

Do you remember what John Kerry was at in the polls before the New Hampshire caucus last election? Well under 10%, thats for sure. He wasn't a front-runner by anyone's imagination. All you need is a caucus win to make you look legitimate.

I would think someone like you, who claims that Ron Paul has a shot would say that someone who is a similar, but better position does not.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7639165 - 11/15/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Was that before's Dean's WOoOOOoOOOOOO speech?

I ended up voting for Nader in the last election, but I was swinging towards Dean a year prior (and I RARELY stand behind democrats). I thought it was ridiculous and unfair how the media took that fiery speech and made it out like he was a mad man. I saw nothing wrong with it.

Nowdays I can't stand Dean. He's ripe with sore-loserism

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: BrAiN]
    #7639256 - 11/15/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I'm just saying nothing is decided now, and to say Hillary has it locked up is no less ridiculous than saying Guliani or Romney do as well.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7639383 - 11/15/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

fair enough... but we're just bullshitting.. talking odds as the way things are right now. Don't take what we're saying so seriously.

Just hypothetically speaking if today was your last day to make a bet on who was going to be president

I'd put guliani and hilary as top dogs... 3:1 maybe 4:1

Romney i'd put in close maybe 5:1

Obama, Mccain, Paul, Edwards I'd all throw as maybe 10:1

If I owned a casino and someone put a penny on Kucinnich and he won.. id'give the person the deed to the whole damn casino

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: BrAiN]
    #7639675 - 11/15/07 01:00 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Except for Ron Paul what an embarrassing crop of Presidential candidates......


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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7639825 - 11/15/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Yea.. i have more respect for mccain than the rest (not including paul), which doesn't really say too much

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: BrAiN]
    #7640138 - 11/15/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Mccain is by far my favorite Republican in the field.

Too bad the base hates him.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7640155 - 11/15/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I don't like him because of McCain/Feingold. I also think he's a bit of a pussy on immigration (as is Bush) and flogging Democrats (as is Bush). Too nice to be President.


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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7640186 - 11/15/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

What would you think about a Colin Powell candidacy?

He's said repeatedly he wont do it. But I'd probably vote for him if he ran. Not in 08, obviously.

But the next one...


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7640211 - 11/15/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Yea... but he's probably more honest and less of a douchebag than most candidates though

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: BrAiN]
    #7640252 - 11/15/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I think he's too much the diplomat. I want an advocate as president, not necessarily someone who sees the other side's position except as a point for leverage.


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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7640604 - 11/15/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
Mccain is by far my favorite Republican in the field.

Too bad the base hates him.





Its amazing that McCain actually thought he could win the GOP nomination after co-authoring an amnesty bill with Ted Kennedy and an anti-free speech bill with Feingold......



I despise the man.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: Seuss]
    #7643234 - 11/16/07 08:02 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

If everyone who says shit like
"Paul has about as much chance of winning as I do."
voted for ron paul,He would win its such an angering paradox!


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Re: 2008 Presidential Election [Re: scattass]
    #7643879 - 11/16/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Alot of us who are saying that wouldn't vote for him.


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