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Ophanim
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What do you guys usually eat when about to use an MAOI?
#7628676 - 11/13/07 01:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd like to make some Ayahuasca, but I'm wary of the huge restriction lists on what you shouldn't eat with MAOIs. What should I eat before/after? I would dose in the evening and fast 8 hours before, so I probably wouldn't eat until the following morning. Presumably that leaves about 8 hours on either side of the actual Syrian Rue consumption.
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antiPock
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Re: What do you guys usually eat when about to use an MAOI? [Re: Ophanim]
#7628870 - 11/13/07 04:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your fasting regimen should take care of most concerns. I have used rue twice in the last three days observing the same restrictions. Just to be safe avoid cheeses, aged meat (all meat even better), and definitely soy sauce. However I think MAO is a VERY very effective enzyme, and the Rue definitely drops out fairly quickly. That means the fasting before and after should take care of most concerns anyway, as MAO did its job on the front end and the Rue's action (seems to) disspate fairly rapidly after. It certainly sounds as if you are giving proper consideration to this issue.
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EllisDSox
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Re: What do you guys usually eat when about to use an MAOI? [Re: Ophanim]
#7629034 - 11/13/07 06:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No refined sugar, alcohol, caffeine, vitamin pills, pain killers, other drugs of any kind, cheese, beans or meat, if you want to be really strict.
Just eat lots of organic vegetables in the days before.
Are you using Syrian Rue and Mimosa Hostilis?
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Re: What do you guys usually eat when about to use an MAOI? [Re: EllisDSox]
#7629064 - 11/13/07 06:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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EllisDSox said: No refined sugar, alcohol, caffeine, vitamin pills, pain killers, other drugs of any kind, cheese, beans or meat, if you want to be really strict.
Just eat lots of organic vegetables in the days before.
Are you using Syrian Rue and Mimosa Hostilis?
I agree with this but I do feel the time limit here is much shorter than "days". However the excercise of dietary restriction in of itself has some benefits, as far as focusing ones intent.
I had great succes with MHRB and Rue, twice in three days. 20g rootbark yielded 4-5 very nice doses. Used 3g rue ahead of time (45 mins). I blended the shredded bark in my first wash of distilled water and vinegar. I simmered it, strained and reserved, then 2 more times just added dist. H20 and simmered. Vinegar stinks cooking - could use lemon for less smell lol.
The lightly filtered juice was combined and set in fridge overnight. Then it was poured off leaving sludge behind. This decanting operation was performed twice, leaving a clear purple liquid. I puked the first time (Sat) because it was strong as shit! Tonight I used 1/5 as much and had an even more profound experience, no puking.
Hope it works for you. I am so blissed out right now. DMT teaches; not just a drug - it does feel like technology. It is ingenious in its actions, as far as how it teaches.
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Re: What do you guys usually eat when about to use an MAOI? [Re: antiPock]
#7629118 - 11/13/07 07:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree with this but I do feel the time limit here is much shorter than "days". However the excercise of dietary restriction in of itself has some benefits, as far as focusing ones intent.
For sure. You're not going to die if you don't follow the restrictions I suggested, I just find that, in my experience, they yield the best results physically and mentally. Sorry for not making that clear.
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Re: What do you guys usually eat when about to use an MAOI? [Re: Ophanim]
#7630077 - 11/13/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The FDA would never approve of drugs that if taken with cheese or other very common foods, can cause instant death. Don't worry about it. Unless you plan on using high doses of an MAOI chronically, you don't need to worry much about your diet, just follow these very specific rules:
Don't mix MAOIs with SSRIs, SNRIs, MDMA, coke/crack, or the OTC 5-HTP and St John's Wort, and fast an hour or two beforehand if you're worried. Stay away from liver, and not all cheeses need to be avoided; Just aged cheese and wine.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_inhibitor#Dangers: Examples of foods and drinks with potentially high levels of tyramine include fermented substances, such as Chianti and other aged wines, and aged cheeses. Liver is also a well-known source. (See a list of foods containing tyramine). Examples of levodopa-containing foods include broad beans. These diet restrictions are not necessary for those taking selective MAO-B inhibitors.
It deserves separate mention that some meat extracts and yeast extracts (Bovril, Marmite, Vegemite) contain extremely high levels of tyramine, and should not be used with these medications.
When MAOIs were first introduced, these risks were not known, and over the following four decades, fewer than 100 people have died from hypertensive crisis. Presumably due to the sudden onset and violent appearance of the reaction, MAOIs gained a reputation for being so dangerous that, for a while, they were taken off the market in America entirely. It is now known that, used as directed under the care of a qualified psychiatrist, this class of drugs remains a safe alternative for intermediate- to long-term use.
The most significant risk associated with the use of MAOIs, is the potential for interactions with over-the-counter and prescription medicines, illicit drugs and certain supplements (e.g. St. John's Wort). It is vital that a doctor supervise such combinations to avoid adverse reactions. For this reason, many users carry an MAOI-card, which lets emergency medical personnel know what drugs to avoid. (E.g. adrenaline dosage should be reduced by 75%, and duration is extended)
MAOIs should not be combined with other psychoactive substances (antidepressants, illicit drugs, painkillers, stimulants, etc.) except under expert care. Certain combinations can cause lethal reactions, common examples including SSRIs, tricyclics, MDMA, meperidine, tramadol and dextromethorphan. Agents with actions on epinephrine, norepinephrine or dopamine must be administered at much lower doses due to potentiation and prolonged effect. Purely opiate-acting analgesics, such as morphine and buprenorphine may be used safely with MAOIs, but may require a dosage adjustment.
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Ophanim
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Re: What do you guys usually eat when about to use an MAOI? [Re: Quake3]
#7630918 - 11/13/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the help guys.
Yes, I will be using Syrian Rue and Mimosa Hostilis, boiled in water with a lemon squeezed into it, per an Ayahuasca recipe I found on Erowid.
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Re: What do you guys usually eat when about to use an MAOI? [Re: Ophanim]
#7631080 - 11/13/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I usually eat nothing before using MAOI and don't normally feel the the need to eat anything during the trip. Once I'm hungry again everything has pretty much worked its way out my system.
Just a reccomendation you don't have to do it, but if you are using rue I would do an extraction it is very easy. I think some may be more sensitive to it than others but I got pretty nauseous using rue with mushrooms with nothing else in my system. Like I said the extraction is easy and definitely worth it in my oppinion. Let us know how it goes.
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EllisDSox
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Re: What do you guys usually eat when about to use an MAOI? [Re: Ophanim]
#7631365 - 11/13/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Precisely what I use. Works very well. Don't lose heart drinking the mimosa- it will be worth it.
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