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Cake broke--options?
    #7627033 - 11/12/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I birthed my first cake but it ruptured as I knocked it out. I now have several large pieces (it was a pint jar) and some small ones as well. Can I dunk and roll these or should I try to case them? All I have is vermiculite so it would be a very simple casing. The cakes were raised on dark rye flour.


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: bengesg]
    #7627063 - 11/12/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

crumble and case?


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: wortiesbo]
    #7627071 - 11/12/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

just take the biggest pieces and use them as if they were a cake


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: Fraggin]
    #7627537 - 11/12/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I had to cut it out with a fork because the part in the bottom stuck. I have several large pieces and some small ones. Could I dunk these and use them as cakes? or should I attempt to case (all I have is vermiculite at the moment so it would be an ultra simple casing)?


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: bengesg]
    #7627678 - 11/12/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Try casing it, your yield may improve.
Crumble it up, put it in a tray, sprinkle the verm on top, spray it down, and incubate for a few days. Patch and fruit. :thumbup:


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: Bikerfool]
    #7627698 - 11/12/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

thanks so much for the reply---you mean just spray the verm on top with water? are there any other easily obtainable casing substrates?


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: bengesg]
    #7627761 - 11/12/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You could try miracle grow moisture control (without the added fertilizer) or jiffy mix.


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: BigDD]
    #7627794 - 11/12/07 08:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: rupture in cake [Re: BUDDHA_702]
    #7627870 - 11/12/07 08:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It gets more complicated if you want to make a real casing mix.
Most casing layers are composed of peat and the peat needs to have it's pH raised so that it won't easily contaminate.
Peat also needs to be pasturized.
It's too much of a PITA for one cake IMO. Just go with moist verm for the one cake and later on when you have more colonized substrate try preparing a real casing layer.


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: Bikerfool]
    #7628263 - 11/12/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I would case


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: sporemonster101]
    #7628275 - 11/12/07 10:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

can you guys explain/ post a picture of this crumble / case method.. I'm still not quite sure what that is... Does anyone crumble their cakes instead of fruiting normally?


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: Mush Lush]
    #7628740 - 11/13/07 01:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Crumbling and casing isn't really the best way to go. A lot of people have done it along the line but it has been proven that simple dunking and rolling gives the same if not higher yeilds.

But then, on the other hand, as your cake has already broken, you might as well do it. All you have to do is get whatever container you are going to use (use one that allows you to have at least 1 inch depth of substrate) then you break up the cake (using alcohol swabbed gloves or a alcohol wiped fork) into even sized pieces (dime sized, mebbe a little bit smaller) and then cover with a thin layer of verm. After that mist the hell out of the verm and put into your FC.


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: Nibin]
    #7628943 - 11/13/07 05:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I would crumble and case in a simple 50/50 mix since its already broken into several peices.

Bikerfool, casing it will in no way increase yeilds, same amount of substrate will produce the same amount of fruits as a dunk nr olled cake, or crumble and cased cake.

For bigger yeilds you would spawn in to hpoo or coir or straw.


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7629481 - 11/13/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I am just going to dunk and roll the larger pieces and see what I can get. Its my first grow and i dont even have a decent fc yet. I have 11 other pint jar almost 100 percent colonized (5 amazonians on rye flour and 6 golden teachers on brf) so ill case a few of those when I construct a decent fc


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Re: Cake broke--options? [Re: bengesg]
    #7629507 - 11/13/07 09:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I birthed my first cake but it ruptured as I knocked it out. I now have several large pieces (it was a pint jar) and some small ones as well. Can I dunk and roll these or should I try to case them? All I have is vermiculite so it would be a very simple casing. The cakes were raised on dark rye flour.




you can also use tooth picks to put the cake back together...

the mycelium will mend itself back together...

and then you can dunk and roll it.


or you can break the cake up into little peices and put a casing layer over it.

or you can use the cake to spawn a bulk substrate.


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: bengesg]
    #7630465 - 11/13/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I am just going to dunk and roll the larger pieces and see what I can get. Its my first grow and i dont even have a decent fc yet. I have 11 other pint jar almost 100 percent colonized (5 amazonians on rye flour and 6 golden teachers on brf) so ill case a few of those when I construct a decent fc




I wouldn't case any of the cakes on their own, just dunk and roll unless you are going to spawn to bulk


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7630743 - 11/13/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I would crumble and case in a simple 50/50 mix since its already broken into several peices.

Bikerfool, casing it will in no way increase yeilds, same amount of substrate will produce the same amount of fruits as a dunk nr olled cake, or crumble and cased cake.

For bigger yeilds you would spawn in to hpoo or coir or straw.




I don't think that's true, there's way more surface area that is being exposed to light and fresh air so that would probably increase the yield.


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7630838 - 11/13/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I would crumble and case in a simple 50/50 mix since its already broken into several peices.

Bikerfool, casing it will in no way increase yeilds, same amount of substrate will produce the same amount of fruits as a dunk nr olled cake, or crumble and cased cake.

For bigger yeilds you would spawn in to hpoo or coir or straw.




I don't think that's true, there's way more surface area that is being exposed to light and fresh air so that would probably increase the yield.



Yes, that is correct! Crumble the cake with you hands, (until they are at least the size of small marbles), then case with Peat, or miracle grow moisture control, or vermiculite, or a 50/50 mix of peat and vermiculite. Make sure that you pasteurize it first and that it has been hydrated to "field capacity" prior to casing. PLEASE USE THE SEARCH POST function if you have any questions about Field capacity and things of that nature. It's not hard at all! Just seems that way in the beginning.


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7630864 - 11/13/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I would crumble and case in a simple 50/50 mix since its already broken into several peices.

Bikerfool, casing it will in no way increase yeilds, same amount of substrate will produce the same amount of fruits as a dunk nr olled cake, or crumble and cased cake.

For bigger yeilds you would spawn in to hpoo or coir or straw.




I don't think that's true, there's way more surface area that is being exposed to light and fresh air so that would probably increase the yield.





It has been proven again and again that crumbling and casing will not increase yeilds, in fact in tends to decrease them.

http://www.shroomery.org/9735/Should-I-crumble-and-case-my-cakes


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Re: rupture in cake [Re: Nibin]
    #7631134 - 11/13/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Even if you get a really good pinset? Then what's the point of casing?


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