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Spawning to flour
#7626020 - 11/12/07 02:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok .. here is the question, could one spawn a BRF cake to BRF? just to up the eventual yield?
POO is not to be mentioned.. i know all about Poo,, and Straw too, read all about that .. im asking if a BRF cake can be spawned to (sterile) BRF
Im assuming that the BRF spawn material will also be a mix of BRF, verm, and water...
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7626045 - 11/12/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a grain to grain transfer, a common procedure. The problem with brf is the logistics of doing it. I suggest injecting some sterilized water into the cake, letting it sit for a few minutes, and then drawing it back out again. If you use filter disks or tyvek in place of a vermiulite filter, you can simply spoon from the master jar into each receiving jar. Use a glovebox or laminar flow hood. RR
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Hrm i was thinking more like for spawning to a tray and casing with verm...
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7626340 - 11/12/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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so you mean mix up a load of verm with brf and then crumble some cakes and add to the other mix (sterilised) covered up a bit longer to colonise then put that into the fc as a casing thats food for thought like one big cake so in effect your casing the cakrs but instead of spawning to poo your giving them more of the same nutrients go for it i say be interesting
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: grandesign]
#7629055 - 11/13/07 06:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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YEah.. thats EXACTLY the question... but i want to know if its sounds like its gonna work, or if its gonna suck...
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7629110 - 11/13/07 07:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry man in my opinion the chances of that working are pretty low. Your BRF would contam before the myc has a chance to colonise it completly, considering how easly BRF contams even in jars, imagine what would happen if you had a tray of pasturised or sterilised BRF, it would be a bacteria and mold heaven.
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: kocos]
#7629130 - 11/13/07 07:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was about to say the same thing, brf is perfect food for many fungus and bacteria u dont want.
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ok so other than poo and straw and poo /w straw and worm castings, is there anything else to spawn too?
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7629214 - 11/13/07 07:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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a though coir was not nutritious.. thought that was for casing?
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7629224 - 11/13/07 07:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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People have used coir to bulk up subs, ur right in that they arnt nutritios, imo they act something like a rezeffect would. It doesnt however compare to poop, nothing beats horse manure.
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: kocos]
#7629229 - 11/13/07 07:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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but you get more when ya spawn to coir? ? (that rhymes)
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7629230 - 11/13/07 07:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is what we used to think, but coir is used as a substrate nowadays.
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7629231 - 11/13/07 07:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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its great to spawn too. people have excellent luck with it all the time.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=subtrates&Number=6004845&fpart=&PHPSESSID=
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I was just confused because people case with coir in place of verm and people always call casing spawning and spawning casing in here so i was just misled on this subject...
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: kocos]
#7629242 - 11/13/07 08:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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kocos said: People have used coir to bulk up subs, ur right in that they arnt nutritios, imo they act something like a rezeffect would. It doesnt however compare to poop, nothing beats horse manure.
this is not true. coir is a great fungi food. and their are alot of people on here that would say coir and poo are very comparitive. read some growlogs. now poo and coir, watch the hell out.
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see im not the only one who is confused about coir....
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Iam sure people have gotten great results, i was just posting what i have seen, and experienced. From what i have seen and done thus far, manure has led to far better results, with multiple strains, which leads me to belive that manure is superiour to coir.
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: kocos]
#7629265 - 11/13/07 08:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7629271 - 11/13/07 08:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Slimz said: ok .. here is the question, could one spawn a BRF cake to BRF? just to up the eventual yield?
its theoretically possible, but contamination would be VERY hard to control
But it seems that coir is my answer..
Im off to the pet store... (well maybe after work)
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: kocos]
#7629277 - 11/13/07 08:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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kocos said: ur right in that they arnt nutritios
Tell that to my sig pic.
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Dude dont get me wrong iam not denying it, iam just saying that for me manure has led to better results, and as far as i could see i wasnt the only one getting these results. It would be great to have a nutrition table for these two materials, then again manure will have all sorts of values depeanding on source, age, prepping etc.
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Sillicybin]
#7629287 - 11/13/07 08:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sillicybin said:
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kocos said: ur right in that they arnt nutritios
Tell that to my sig pic.
That hurt Clone or multispore?
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Sillicybin]
#7629288 - 11/13/07 08:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sillicybin said:
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kocos said: ur right in that they arnt nutritios
Tell that to my sig pic.
thats an amazing pinset man... amazing
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: kocos]
#7629292 - 11/13/07 08:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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H/poo is a better substrate, don't get me wrong either. If you have a choice between one or the other, poo is the way to go.
However, coir does work, and can work well.
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Sillicybin]
#7629305 - 11/13/07 08:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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read the opening to this thread.. POO IS NOT AN OPTION ! ! ! COIR is my answer..
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7629376 - 11/13/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you, blood. 
It was multispore --> LC --> LC. Not sure if an isolation occurred during 2nd gen LC, but it almost seems like it did.
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Sillicybin]
#7629388 - 11/13/07 08:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sure does, that looks great man!
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: kocos]
#7629452 - 11/13/07 09:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is coir right?
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7629456 - 11/13/07 09:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, that is the same brand I have used many times with good results.
You may find it cheaper to order in bulk from a hydroponics-type store if you plan on doing a lot of growing.
EDIT: http://www.groworganic.com/item_PSO114_Coco_Peat_45_Cu_Ft_Brick.html?welcome=T
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7629493 - 11/13/07 09:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why spawn to BRF? Just cruble a bunch of cakes into a tray and fruit! What am I missing?
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Mycodood]
#7629497 - 11/13/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mycodood said: Why spawn to BRF? Just cruble a bunch of cakes into a tray and fruit! What am I missing?
Thats a casing not a spawning.
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Mycodood]
#7629500 - 11/13/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7629505 - 11/13/07 09:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Slimz said:
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Mycodood said: Why spawn to BRF? Just cruble a bunch of cakes into a tray and fruit! What am I missing?
Thats a casing not a spawning.
Yeah I know that, what I am saying is why would you ever want to spawn cakes to BRF. It's pointless. Just case them.
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Mycodood]
#7629542 - 11/13/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mycodood, please read the entire thread..
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7629598 - 11/13/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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im pasteurizing some coir right now, same brand as you, slimz, im so happy that my petco just started carryin em! its a lil tricky to work with at first, finding the right water content and all, but its not all that tough, and even in the projects ive sorta messed up ive had pretty fair results, like a monotub which started pinning before it was fully colonized, still got a bunch of gramsfrom it. . . this upcomming monotub for which im pasteurizing now is gonna be the most productive thing ive done thus far, though
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7629606 - 11/13/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Slimz said: Mycodood, please read the entire thread..
I did my friend.....
Here is a quote from the first post...
"here is the question, could one spawn a BRF cake to BRF"
My point is why would you want to even attempt this if you could just produce more cakes with said BRF and crumble all of the cakes into a tray, case then fruit. Rather than risk possible contamination or just a prolongled colonization time adding cakes to sterile BRF if it did in fact work and did not contaminate in the process. This would also throw off the moisture content since there would is a higher BRF to verm ratio and introduces yet another problem.
I guess I should have been more specific and this post is a little late since he decided to use coir.
And a side note, since coir is being used I have spawned BRF to coir and it works well but it increases "time to fruit" exponentially since you are colonizing BRF first then spawning and colonizing coir. But it definitely increases your yield.
Edited by Mycodood (11/13/07 09:57 AM)
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Mycodood]
#7629635 - 11/13/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok mycodood, you read the first post.. but had you read the entire thing you would have realized that we covered all the problems with spawning to BRF and decided that coir was the best solution for me this tine since poo is not an option. (thats a run on sentence)
Your comment addresses the original question but the thread has already addressed that question and moved on.
ANYWAY ! ! ! Im not here to argue over semantics, thanks .. i believe this question is sufficiently answered,,
so tonight im drilling holes in my FC and reading all about spawning to coir..
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7629767 - 11/13/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I guess if you just sat back for a minute and thought about it for a second you could have saved alot of posts. No biggie. Oh, and if you ise the search function there are alot of teks, posts etc on using coir. Just an FYI.
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Mycodood]
#7629774 - 11/13/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are lots of links to them posted in this thread too
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Slimz]
#7629790 - 11/13/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah all I am saying is that skilled users don't need link posts. But hey, good luck!
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Re: Spawning to flour [Re: Mycodood]
#7629838 - 11/13/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Registered: 10/03/07 im not skilled yet...
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