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OfflineVisionsToReality
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Are these signs of substrate that is too wet?
    #7625031 - 11/12/07 10:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Spawning occured just about 7 days ago.

Since then, the mycelium has covered a good amount of substrate, and relatively evenly.

But the mycelium is not as vigorously white as expected. It is more gray, but it is not cobweb. It's mycelium. Here and there are a few truly white patches but most is not "snow-white" if you know what I mean.

Additionally, when looking with minimal light, u can notice little glistening balls on the surface of the substrate. This is either myc piss or condensation.

I'm wondering if these two things (greyish mycelium, along with what appear to be water droplets on the surface - even though this is not being misted) mean the substrate is too wet?

It shouldn't be...it took a gentle squeeze to get a drop or 2 out...

What gives? <Nervous>


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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7625134 - 11/12/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

some pics would help out greatly. :confused:


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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: spooky]
    #7625237 - 11/12/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

spooky said:
some pics would help out greatly. :confused:



:thumbup:

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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: MarlboroMan]
    #7625973 - 11/12/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, will do in a bit


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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7626210 - 11/12/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

K. So what I'm talking about is this. Keep in mind these pics were taken going through saran wrap so they aren't too great. =(

See the water droplets on the mycelium? That can't be good...eek. What do you think about them?

Also: Although the pics make it harder to tell the difference: In some areas there are nice dense and very white clusters. They look almost like cotton balls compared to the other mycelium. Then, most of the mycelium is just stuff that seems to be hugging the substrate and not as fluffy nor as white. Maybe this is normal for the beginning stages of colonization? Not sure though.







Closeup (through saranwrap at 1.5 feed away, of course)


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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7626222 - 11/12/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Also: what is very unsettling: A 1 inch "sprout" is noticeable!!!
It could be a plant from seed
It could be an invading fungus

Hoping it's just a seed but pasteurized the substrate so what gives!?!? We'll see what it turns out to be. Right now I see a 1" tall stalk that looks like it could be a seed sprout, with a top that looks like it could still have a seed casing on the plant but cannot tell. Grrr....unless it's cubensis mycelium, but dunno


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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7626412 - 11/12/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Your doing fine and worrying too much! The water droplets are indeed condensation. The sprout is a sprout.... simply pull it out. Judging by the amount of colonization you have there, I would case it put it in a fruiting chamber, or whatever you have planned to introduce fruiting conditions.

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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7626425 - 11/12/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Whew, thanks. Oh, I thought you were supposed to wait until 100% near-SNOW white mycelium was covering the substrate until casing happened...and then wait until it's snow white completely covered again...and THEN fruit?

If someone could straighten me out on the above that would be so helpful, it's one of the things I'm still pretty confused about.


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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7626472 - 11/12/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You are right in saying that. Although it is "RECOMMENDED" that your top layer is "COMPLETELY" covered, I'm going on the idea that you're already having condensation on the mycelium, (too much can slow colonization), and you're already 7 days in since you spawned. I wouldn't go any longer than 3 more days tops. If you case now and start fruiting conditions, you will not have to worry about "over condensation" as much and you'll be certain to have fruits.


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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7626538 - 11/12/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ok. Thanks. So basically the substrate was too wet?

The tub is saran wrapped on top with 5 micropore tape holes
And 8 polyfil holes in the sides all together, but they are covered with saran wrap during colonization..


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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7630312 - 11/13/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm interested to see comments of others. Still not sure about whether or not it is normal to see condensation like this, or if this is WAY too much condensation, or what. It seems as though there is WAY too much meaning the substrate must be way overwatered, but that doesn't make sense, because it should have been very close to field capacity.


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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7630398 - 11/13/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You want the substrate to be as white as possible so that you see myc shooting towards the sky before casing.... However, it doesn't necessarily need to be "FULLY" colonized.. Just make sure the colonized areas are about as colonized as they are going to get... I personally don't think yours are completely ready.
Do NOT let it colonize the casing... You just want to see the tips of the myc hairs in the peaks and valleys of your casing... Then fruit. Some people just case and fruit with no incubation in between.... I incubate.. Let it go a little longer is my suggestion... I could be wrong, but it works for me.
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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: Nwerd]
    #7630441 - 11/13/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I agree. Letting it colonize further will help to ensure that it is able to fight off contams when you do case. I would allow a few more days, case... wait about 3 days or so, then fruit.


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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: Swan Song]
    #7630561 - 11/13/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'd be interested to see another close-up, macro-mode picture of the bottom image now that it's been 24 hours later.  From what I see, the images look a lot like some rather dense sets of hyphal knots forming with tiny bits of condensation forming on them.

If so, then this is my "ideal" time to case with a very light (1/4 - 5/8" thick) layer of a casing mixture on top of that substrate... :thumbup::thumbup:


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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: mycocurious]
    #7630803 - 11/13/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

More pics to come soon, this time macros within 2" of the substrate, NOT through saran wrap =/


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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7630935 - 11/13/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)






Notice how there is a white poofball and then all around it is weaker looking mycelium? That's how the whole tub seems to be. A mix of the two. Weird.


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Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy
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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7630947 - 11/13/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Since shroomery resized those to a uselessly small version..same ones, revised so they are the size they should be:








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Don't you complicate your mind.

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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7630967 - 11/13/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Here's a far out view as of now

The bright white circles everywhere are NOT hyphal nots - they are WATER DROPLETS reflecting the flash!!! EEK =(

Here is the one from 24 hours ago, the one in the 1st post of this thread.



It's cool to compare the two on a tabbed browser.


Edited by VisionsToReality (11/13/07 04:04 PM)


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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7631758 - 11/13/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

anyone..?


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Re: Are these signs of substrate that is too wet? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7632097 - 11/13/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This is the best pictures I could find in the images archive of a knot off the top of my head...

Hope these help...




And finally, the big white blob, it's the beginnings of overlay because it's ready to be cased...


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- How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates
- How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier
- How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse
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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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