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Privacy is not anonymous
    #7624704 - 11/12/07 07:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Remarks by the Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence Dr. Donald Kerr http://www.dni.gov/speeches/20071023_speech.pdf:

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Now, security through collaboration raises questions among some people. You have all heard the discussion of pre-9/11 and the existence of the wall in the Justice Department that separated law enforcement and intelligence information. The concern, of course, was that grand jury information, other privileged kinds of information, would somehow improperly escape into the larger world. And I guess, on the intelligence side, you could argue there were suspicions as well. They’ve all been well-documented. And we’ve started to bring down those walls as we require information sharing between intelligence, Homeland Security, and Defense agencies, and law enforcement. Some have grown uneasy. People are asking, just what is it they’re sharing?

And that leads you directly into the concern for privacy. Too often, privacy has been equated with anonymity; and it’s an idea that is deeply rooted in American culture. The Long Ranger wore a mask but Tonto didn’t seem to need one even though he did the dirty work for free. You’d think he would probably need one even more. But in our interconnected and wireless world, anonymity – or the appearance of anonymity – is quickly becoming a thing of the past.

Anonymity results from a lack of identifying features. Nowadays, when so much correlated data is collected and available – and I’m just talking about profiles on MySpace, Facebook, YouTube here – the set of identifiable features has grown beyond where most of us can comprehend. We need to move beyond the construct that equates anonymity with privacy and focus more on how we can protect essential privacy in this interconnected environment.

Protecting anonymity isn’t a fight that can be won. Anyone that’s typed in their name on Google understands that. Instead, privacy, I would offer, is a system of laws, rules, and customs with an infrastructure of Inspectors General, oversight committees, and privacy boards on which our intelligence community commitment is based and measured. And it is that framework that we need to grow and nourish and adjust as our cultures change.




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Re: Privacy is not anonymous [Re: Seuss]
    #7624743 - 11/12/07 07:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm torn on this issue as well. Getting away from the whole "Maybe if we stopped creating terrorists we wouldnt have to worry about them" argument....

Giving up little bits of liberty ... tiny bits at a time just seems like a slippery slope into 1984.

At the same time... there ARE psychos out there that want to blow us up. Even if we weren't involved in middle eastern affairs so much... you'd still have psycho islamofacists that want a 1 world order anyways and would still want to blow us up, you'd still have Oklahoma City bombings, etc.

I dunno.. tough call...


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Re: Privacy is not anonymous [Re: BrAiN]
    #7625099 - 11/12/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

on balance, I imagine there's as many muslims seeking for one world order
as there are christians.

if you look at the broad base of average people and realize that most are
interested in personal welfare and prosperity over religious domination,
then why shouldn't we just focus our efforts on not "creating terrorists"
vis a vis *fair* foreign policy?


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    #7625315 - 11/12/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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on balance, I imagine there's as many muslims seeking for one world order
as there are christians.




Hmmm... I never really thought about in these terms, but I think you are probably correct. I've been aware of the push for a Islamic State the size of the entire world, of course, but hadn't really considered how close this is to the neo-con NWO push.

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At the same time... there ARE psychos out there that want to blow us up.




So how much liberty should we give up to stop the occasional splody-type? National ID card... "chip" babies... make it a crime punishable by death to not identify yourself... where do we draw the line?


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    #7626247 - 11/12/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think that some are seeking to find just how far out that line can be pushed.


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    #7626273 - 11/12/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly...

The recent voter turnout in my area was around 22%...

Whether the people like it or not, they don't seem to be willing to travel a mile or so to the local voting precinct and make their voices heard. Too bad..

Still I wonder what will happen when the older generation dies off...

I always see about 80% or so of retired-looking people at the voting booths

I think drugs will be less-criminalized, but I wonder what effect this will have on civil liberties? I think their may be a marginal push for restoration of the people's constitutional rights, but wonder how much...


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