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so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine
#7624261 - 11/12/07 12:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I'm a pretty big drinker but not much of a wino. I like sweet wine and everyone looks at me like I'm a jackass when I ask for it. I've found small winery near lake eerie that has a delecious very sweet concord grape wine but I don't make it up that way very often so I was ineterested in possibly brewing my own.
Are all the carboys and other brewing aparatus necessary if all I'm gonna do is a welches concentrate brew, or is there a cheapo route I take? I've never brewed anything before so this is all new territory for me.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: disturbed]
#7625767 - 11/12/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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um.. we did our first brew in a 6 gallon bucket with a co2 release thing on the top and our brew was 6 gallons of water, 10 lbs of sugar, 4 containers of red kool-aid mix and a packet of bread yeast.
it was the best bitch beer i've ever had
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: Molasses]
#7625797 - 11/12/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I left my Welches grape juice sit right in the bottle. I didn't have to add a thing. Just release the gas build up or it will pop. In a week it was carbonated like a champagne.
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: Wonderland420]
#7627644 - 11/12/07 07:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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you already know my method!
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7627732 - 11/12/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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leftysurprise said: you already know my method!
Yea I gotta give credit to lefty for the idea, but I was still confused about what exactly I needed to do. I felt like kind of an idiot so I didn't want to keep bothering you about it haha.
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: disturbed]
#7627754 - 11/12/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I spurred the discussion in that thread the other day so I deserve some credit...good luck.  If you're going purely for the amount of alcohol you could try using a bunch of sugar and a turbo yeast to get it really strong.
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: robbyberto]
#7627900 - 11/12/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea I think I understand the first part but I got lost when he was talkin about the racking and the secondary fermenting.
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: disturbed]
#7630027 - 11/13/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have made something similar with grape juice and it fermented out very dry. You said you wanted a sweet wine so I would set aside some of the concentrate to back sweeten it if yours turns out dry as well. Otherwise your yeast may ferment all of the sugar to dryness.
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: zorbman]
#7635850 - 11/14/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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fuck this, fix yourself some jenkem.
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: robbyberto]
#7636929 - 11/14/07 07:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: Well I spurred the discussion in that thread the other day so I deserve some credit...good luck.  If you're going purely for the amount of alcohol you could try using a bunch of sugar and a turbo yeast to get it really strong.
i tried making straight sugar alcohol one time...... it was disgusting. lol. strong as hell, but doesnt taste good. i guess no worse than cheap vodka though....
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: zorbman]
#7636966 - 11/14/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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zorbman said: I have made something similar with grape juice and it fermented out very dry. You said you wanted a sweet wine so I would set aside some of the concentrate to back sweeten it if yours turns out dry as well. Otherwise your yeast may ferment all of the sugar to dryness.
it usually takes a new wine brewer several batches to find a taste that he/she likes. you just have to keep tweaking the mixture amounts.
i just cracked open a 2 year old organic blueberry wine i made. man, there is no alcohol better than home brewed wine. this shit is awesome. very strong(one glass has me good and buzzed) slightly dry, faint carbonation, strong blueberry flavor, beautiful maroon color. its a shame that was the only bottle of the blueberry i made back then. now i have to make some and wait two more years for more!
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: ohmatic]
#7636969 - 11/14/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ohmatic said: fuck this, fix yourself some jenkem.
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7637257 - 11/14/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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its a shame that was the only bottle of the blueberry i made back then. now i have to make some and wait two more years for more!
Yeah, I know what you mean. I started mead making earlier this year and have been making small one gallon batches at a time. (Just in case I screwed up I wouldn't have wasted so much). But the drawback is so few bottles! I have already gone through half a gallon of elderberry mead but I added oak cubes to it and will let it age a few more months before bottling.
The blueberry sounds good- did you add all the berries at one time to the primary or save some for the secondary?
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: zorbman]
#7639975 - 11/15/07 02:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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its a shame that was the only bottle of the blueberry i made back then. now i have to make some and wait two more years for more!
Yeah, I know what you mean. I started mead making earlier this year and have been making small one gallon batches at a time. (Just in case I screwed up I wouldn't have wasted so much). But the drawback is so few bottles! I have already gone through half a gallon of elderberry mead but I added oak cubes to it and will let it age a few more months before bottling.
The blueberry sounds good- did you add all the berries at one time to the primary or save some for the secondary?
man..... i love pure honey mead. that shit is the bomb. elixer of the gods they say......
yeah, i wish i could mail all of you a tester.... but thats alot of work and im sure it breaks some laws lol.....
and the blueberries were all added to the primary.
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7640771 - 11/15/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Any links on mead brewing? It sounds intriguing.
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: robbyberto]
#7640903 - 11/15/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.sallys-place.com/beverages/single_articles/mead.htm
i used a recipe identical to this one, outside of the pasteurization step. theres no need in my opinion.
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: robbyberto]
#7641803 - 11/15/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: Any links on mead brewing? It sounds intriguing.
http://brewery.org/brewery/library/meadfaq.html (Good intro to mead making with more links).
http://www.gotmead.com/ (The premiere site on the web for mead making).
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: zorbman]
#7642335 - 11/15/07 11:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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What type of yeast is best for making mead? I have turbo yeast and wouldnt mind getting either wine yeast or baking yeast if either are prefered.
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: deformedreality]
#7642417 - 11/15/07 11:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Depends upon what ingredients are in your mead.
Bread yeast is almost never used (although I do have one quick mead recipe using oranges which is designed specifically for bread yeast). This was actually my first mead which I selected because it was a simple recipe and foolproof for a beginner plus it was ready in only a couple of months.
Wine yeasts work well with mead since mead is very similar to wine. I have used Montrachet, Pasteur Red and Pasteur Champagne. Montrachet and Red are good for fruity reds and champagne for dry, higher alcohol meads.
Here is a link with information on different wine yeasts and what they are used for: http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/strains.asp
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: zorbman]
#7642505 - 11/16/07 12:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well id like to make a mead with alot of raspberries and some "Raspberry Zinger" tea (my favorite type of tea), citric acid (i have a big bottle laying around, have nothing better to do with it) and of course honey, water, and possibly sugar (i want it to come out somewhat sweet and also carbinated)
Does that sound like a decent idea for a recipe? I'm not a big fan of being able to taste the yeast used in the long run in the final product so do you have any suggestions? I am willing to hunt down any yeast needed (i dont like to take shortcuts). (i do like talking in parenthethes though)
I quickly looked through that website. would "WLP720 Sweet Mead/Wine" yeast be a good choice then?
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: deformedreality]
#7642597 - 11/16/07 12:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That sounds pretty good. Raspberries go very well in mead. A couple of things to consider: raspberries are pretty acidic on their own so I would not consider adding the extra acid until after fermentation is complete. (High acid levels can slow or halt a fermentation. Honey has gluconic acid in it as well). Taste it just before bottling time before adding any additional acid..otherwise, if your acid levels are too high your mead could take years to mellow out.
Also raspberries have tannins as well so I would only add those to taste after the fermentation is complete.
Btw, here is a table for you showing common fruit with their individual levels of sugar, acidity, and tannins.
http://www.brsquared.org/wine/CalcInfo/FruitDat.htm
I have no experience with the yeast you mentioned but it should be fine and leave some residual sweetness.
Also, if you want to retain more fruit character you should add at least half of the raspberries after primary fermentation is almost complete. Many people make the mistake of dumping all the fruit in at once and are dissapointed to end up with a dry mead lacking much of the taste and aroma of the underlying fruit.
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: zorbman]
#7643487 - 11/16/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok so add half of the raspberries before fermentation, then after that add the other half of the raspberries and the tea to taste. Should i first boil the tea and raspberries to make sure they wont contaminate the batch? Then before bottling make sure to filter/siphon away the final stuff away from the gunk then add 3/4 cup sugar per 5 gallons of final mead and then bottle?
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Re: so I'm interested in makin some welches concentrate wine [Re: deformedreality]
#7643610 - 11/16/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Should i first boil the tea and raspberries to make sure they wont contaminate the batch?
I don't boil any of my ingredients and have never had a problem with contamination. Mead is a bit different in that respect in that honey is naturally antibiotic.
Boiling also drives off much of the flavor and aroma. You want all that in your mead, not floating in the air. Boiling the fruit can also cause the pectin in the fruit to set, leaving your mead cloudy and requiring endless rackings.
I recommend freezing the berries. This accomplishes two things: 1) It kills off any wild yeast and nasties on the skin of the fruit eliminating competition with your selected yeast. 2) Ice cystals will punture the fruit like a million tiny knives, releasing the juice and allowing the yeasties to get in there and do their thing.
If you freeze them, do make sure your must comes back up to room temperature before pitching your yeast.
The tea can be boiled, cooled, and added to taste at any time.
As for carbonation I have never done that so maybe someone else can help with that. I do know that you will need to bottle into champagne-style bottles which are stronger and can withstand the pressure. Otherwise you may have dangerous glass grenades on your hands.
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