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Offlinemeatcakeman
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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7627688 - 11/12/07 08:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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meatcakeman said:
well, if humans are indeed the cause to all of Earth's problems
why would you prolong the existence of our race
no species can withstand life forever
every species comes and goes

i personally don't care if animals die or fall to the wrath of extinction
that just means they weren't evolutionary capable of sustaining life on this Earth
if they can't survive, let them die
then others that can will progress
evolutionary growth, my friend

succession of the fittest




Humans have surpassed the conventional laws of evolution if you really think about it. We have the power to decide about our actions with regard to how it affects the environment. No other being has been able to do that on earth before. This nullifies your argument about us being evolutionarily superior.

Why should we preserve the environment? like I said, other humans should be able to experience it and I would like my children and their children to experience nature. I do not want them to grow up in an industrial wasteland. You may think that's ok, but I think that's disgusting, as well as cruel, as well as stupid, as well as arrogant, etc.




what is wrong with industry?
it put the clothes on your back, the water in your pipes, the food on your plates, the electricity for you lightbulbs..

there is no possible way for humans to stop depleting natural resources
it is just impossible
the only real solution is if we all died
if you really want to save Earth you should just go on a killing rampage


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: meatcakeman]
    #7627712 - 11/12/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What I am saying is I don't want my kids growing up in a country such as china - smog, overpopulated to the max, crowded, NO NATURE, etc.

I AM NOT SAYING there is no way to not deplete resources. I'm saying CARE about nature, protect it as much as possible, don't waste resources, and appreciate it so it can last as long as possible.


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7627736 - 11/12/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

China? Wow i guess you don't really know your stuff.
Yes, China has smog and overpopulation, as does every other industrial country.

but if you think China has 'NO NATURE', you my friend are stupid and ignorant.
China consists of huge forests, lakes, rivers, etc.
where do you think most agricultural produce comes from?
China
all of this IS nature isn't it?

have you even been to China???
if not, quit using Western assumptions to stereotype a country you probably know nothing about.


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: meatcakeman]
    #7627743 - 11/12/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Dude I'm talking about the most industrial depths of china, I know their country contains nature. I am telling you I do not want my kids growing up in an industrial wasteland like that of china's.

Some people are selfless and care about others in the present and future

Others are in it for themselves and could care less. I choose to be the former.


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7627746 - 11/12/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What is nature, exactly?


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: DieCommie]
    #7627755 - 11/12/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

A very beautiful thing.


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7627760 - 11/12/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

im with you on this killing rampage idea


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7627783 - 11/12/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

China is not an industrial wasteland...

you should just stop using China as evidence to support your claims... :nono:

I'm FROM China.
I came from the province of Hunan.
There is nothing but farms, grassland, hills, and trees there, except for the occasional big city.
Yes, of course there are industrialized cities such as Shanghai, Xi'an, Beijing, etc.
But other than a couple of large cities, China is far from being an industrial wasteland.


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7627785 - 11/12/07 08:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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VisionsToReality said:
A very beautiful thing.




lol hippies


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7627798 - 11/12/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

what is the difference between a dolphin and any other animal on this planet?

its just a big fish if you ask me, but i disagree with some of these guys saying 'fuck the ecosystem'

and the 'who the fuck cares'-type attitude is really, really cool....:thumbdown:


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: aDoS]
    #7627811 - 11/12/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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aDoS said:
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VisionsToReality said:
A very beautiful thing.




lol hippies



Grow up


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: DieCommie]
    #7627814 - 11/12/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
What is nature, exactly?



great question


i tought that when i was 4.... so you got some catchin up


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: Atheist]
    #7627819 - 11/12/07 08:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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what is the difference between a dolphin and any other animal on this planet?

its just a big fish if you ask me, but i disagree with some of these guys saying 'fuck the ecosystem'

and the 'who the fuck cares'-type attitude is really, really cool....:thumbdown:



Animals at the top of the oceanic ecosystem like sharks, whales, and dolphins don't reproduce quickly like the lower animals.  So when humans kill these giant things, they go extinct VERY quickly because their gestation periods are very long and they cannot keep up with the amount we kill.  Whales are 9 months or so I believe.  Sharks take long as well.

I took a course on ocean science a while back and the professor dedicated an entire week to the peril of the oceans.  It's amazing how many species of whales and dolphins are about to go extinct.  Over the years fisheries have been taking the "good" fish at the top of the food chain for us to eat, depleting them to no return, and then moving down to the next level of the food chain to lower grade fish, and so on, and so on. 

In a matter of decades, like 1 or 2, we are seeing entire species of marine mammals go extinct at an alarming rate.  Most countries agree to international rules because they are civilized and they realize how valuble these things are to our oceans but misguided and greedy countries like china and possibly the netherlands or greenland or iceland (can't remember which one) continue to hunt against the world's majority consensus.

Once these top predators become extinct, the things they eat explode in population (ex:  algae - which can then grow to enormous sized plumes and disrupt oxygen and nutrient availability in the area for the ENTIRE marine ecosystem in that area.

  Killing a few large animals (in the human race's case, thousands upon thousands every year) in the ocean has a profound affect on the entire ocean, which in turn affects our climate, etc.  The world is one big motherfucking amazing ass network of reactions that were all designed over time by selective forces to work correctly.  When humans come along and tamper with any of it, we completely interfere with that system.  This is inevitable but we need to interfere with the system as little as humanly possible, so that animals can continue their lives while we rise above evolutionary forces and use our minds to literally decide and control our own fate.  With any luck we can preserve the planet and populate every motherfuckin place in space.  I say luck because then the earth would maybe be preserved.  The population is not stoppin.  But then we'd have to worry about interplanetary wars.  =)


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7627858 - 11/12/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

But for at least a thousand years, humans have been hunting dolphins...





why do you care now?


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: meatcakeman]
    #7627892 - 11/12/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Because the technology gained in the last hundred years alone has had an exponential affect on our capabilities to wipe out entire areas with fishing trawls as well as mass numbers of animals being killed.

Before it was just a few humans doing it sustainable. Then it became industrial and nature cannot keep up with that.

This too:


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7627906 - 11/12/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You act as though it is nature vs humans. Humans are part of nature.


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: DieCommie]
    #7627926 - 11/12/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes. We are. But we are at a point where we are KILLING nature. Why? Because of our actions. So what's the solution? Fix our actions. Otherwise, what? We won't have a clean planet with life to enjoy anymore or to support us.


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7627972 - 11/12/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Humans are smart fuckin creatures homie. We've created all this technology that has improved our lives but damaged the lives of everything around us. However, technology is improving at incredible rates and I think we'll be able to correct many of the problems we've gotten into buy using technology itself. As for the dolphins... its a shame. They're pretty cool creatures. Hopefully that shit stops.
Some of the people on here are seriously lame. I think they like the attention they get being bad guys  :enraged:  :enraged:  :enraged:
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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: skunkape]
    #7627981 - 11/12/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Technology can fix some things but nothing can bring nature back to the way it was before losing whatever piece is lost


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Re: If you care about this planet..... [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7628001 - 11/12/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah
its amazing how little people on a mushroom website know about the world


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