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Midnight156
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problems pinning in casings
#7622409 - 11/11/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I made PF cakes and cased them in the same formula from the PF tek.. but it seems that the cakes are not pinning and growing but keep colonizing the casing. The cakes were inoculated with treasure coast spores and the temp is staying around 68-70 degrees Fahrenheit and humidity at about 85%.
A) is it bad for them to still be colonizing
B) and if yes how do force them to fruit
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plurby
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Re: problems pinning in casings [Re: Midnight156]
#7622450 - 11/11/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you supposed to just case them in dry verm? A good way to induce fruiting is the shock method, where you dunk the cake in water, and let it sit there for about 24 hours, and then roll in dry verm.
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thedefone
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Re: problems pinning in casings [Re: plurby]
#7623160 - 11/11/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So, if you
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cased them in the same formula from the PF tek
does that mean that you cased them in BRF/Verm? If you did, the reason that they are colonizing your casing is because all you did was give them more food to eat. A casing is supposed to be a non-nutritious covering holding moisture to the myc, and protecting it from contamination.
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yepyepyep
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Re: problems pinning in casings [Re: Midnight156]
#7623330 - 11/11/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Midnight156 said: I made PF cakes and cased them in the same formula from the PF tek.. but it seems that the cakes are not pinning and growing but keep colonizing the casing. The cakes were inoculated with treasure coast spores and the temp is staying around 68-70 degrees Fahrenheit and humidity at about 85%.
A) is it bad for them to still be colonizing
B) and if yes how do force them to fruit
I'm afraid you've made a terrible mistake. If you have cased them with Verm and BRF you are in awful risk of contamination. You need to make that container absolutely sealed off from the outside world until it can (hopefully) colonize the substrate. Hopes for fruiting should be put aside for the moment.
The casing layer should be non nutritious, you've put food, food for bacteria, molds and mycelium. Unfortunately I'd say you're likely to run into contamination.
Did you sterilize the Verm/brf? What exactly did you do to prepare this substate, what type of container is it in?
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Midnight156
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Re: problems pinning in casings [Re: yepyepyep]
#7626697 - 11/12/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok im sorry, i miss spoke I put PF cakes in a casing mixture from the PF web site, The recipe i used was verm,peat moss, and hydrated lime.
and yes i sterilized, they are cased in a Tupperware container that fits about 3 cakes then, i covered the Tupperware with aluminum foil on the outsides to prevent light to the sides so the mushrooms will grow upwards. my only thought is that the aluminum is insulating the casing and keeping the temp a bit to warm. But only the sides of the casing are covered and there are in a fruiting chamber of just a large rubber maid container with perlite.
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yepyepyep
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Re: problems pinning in casings [Re: Midnight156]
#7627130 - 11/12/07 06:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok excellent, phew...
Hyphae's post...
From TMC: "The mycelial mat formed by overlay makes the casing impervious to water and produces few pinheads Overlay also occurs if the casings surface is too dry, the humidity is too low or the air temp remains too high. Overlay can be counteracted by patching, but the cause must be diagnosed and carefully corrected if the culture is to be revived.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5450103#5450103
So patch, spray down heavily and make sure you've got enough humidity (add more misting in the chamber if necessary).
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Midnight156
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Re: problems pinning in casings [Re: yepyepyep]
#7627657 - 11/12/07 07:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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awesome, thanks for the help ill let yall know how it goes
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