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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Silversoul]
#7626279 - 11/12/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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War, though a stupid waste of life, is sometimes necessary to protect humans from each others stupidity. Right now the US is who most people in the world are threatened by and need protecting from. Humans are creatures of aggression and we may never grow beyond our fear, but I accept that about humanity and myself. As for myself, I don't want to harm anything or anyone unnecessarily.
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7626290 - 11/12/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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But when necessary...
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7626314 - 11/12/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does needing a catalytic converter qualify as necessary conditions?
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Silversoul]
#7626470 - 11/12/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: Well, considering it's currently an occupation trying to stabilize the region(or so they've been led to believe), I don't think it's so much a matter of supporting aggressive violence. And like I said, most of them just signed up for financial reasons.
Stabilize the region. That's rich. Who do you think de-stabilized it?
So if I become a hit-man for financial reasons it's OK?
You are doing a pretty awesome job of rationalizing something that IMO is really nasty.
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Icelander]
#7626481 - 11/12/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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As long as you only kill bad guys...
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Diploid]
#7626495 - 11/12/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Diploid said: To be fair to SS's friends, signing up for military service in pre-Bush days would well have been with the then-justified belief that the US military was primarily a defensive force.
Bush changed the rules in the middle of that game and I think a lot of the soldiers currently deployed in offensive struggles never counted on that.
Of course, they still could have refused to go participate in what they believe to be an unjust offensive war and taken their lumps in a military prison.
It's pretty naive to believe that our military plays a defensive role in the world even in the pre bush days. Oh yeah, I forgot the Viet Cong were in Florida.
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7626504 - 11/12/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: There are no expendable people...regardless of where they are born.
Everyone is expendable
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Icelander]
#7626564 - 11/12/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe the universe doesn't give a fuck, but I was expressing my opinion. So, in my opinion there are no expendable people. Viewing lives as such leads to treating others in that fashion.
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7626761 - 11/12/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Viewing lives as such leads to treating others in that fashion.
For you maybe but please speak for yourself.
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Icelander]
#7626797 - 11/12/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Uh oh, sounds like a battle a-brewing.
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Icelander]
#7626800 - 11/12/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe it is not universal, but I observe that type of behavior all around me every day. Most people I have met exhibit a total lack of respect for all life. The value of life is given only lip service in our society. Maybe ultimately nothing matters, but I define what matters to me. However these are my observations as you pointed out.
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7626805 - 11/12/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe it is not universal, but I observe that type of behavior all around me every day.
You live in Kentucky.
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Icelander]
#7626821 - 11/12/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You live in Kentucky. 
Isn't that the place where the Bublical Creation Museum lives? Where they insist that that world is 6,000 years old and baby dinosaurs rode in Noah's ark?
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Diploid]
#7626832 - 11/12/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No Kentucky = no KFC.
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Diploid]
#7626843 - 11/12/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Diploid said: You live in Kentucky. 
Isn't that the place where the Bublical Creation Museum lives? Where they insist that that world is 6,000 years old and baby dinosaurs rode in Noah's ark?
I hear they have displays with folk riding on dinosaurs. So I guess it must be true.
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Icelander]
#7627177 - 11/12/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hear they have displays with folk riding on dinosaurs. So I guess it must be true.
Sad but true. I think that many of the Bible thumpers regard episodes of The Flintstones as a historical reenactment.
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7628242 - 11/12/07 10:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I haven't read the thread.
I agree with the fact that in order to protect our way of life from attack we need a military force and i respect soldiers for doing an incredible tough job.
I hate 'the war' (being Iraq) because there were no adequate reasons for going into it. War is a last resort, as in last, not second last, last - when all other options have been closed.
So obviously i'd have preferred the soldiers never gotten into this war, let alone the hundreds of thousands that will die because of it. I support the troops because they have to follow orders, i don't support the policy-makers or the president.
I see nothing wrong with that position.
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Re: Supporting the troops, but against the war? [Re: undergrounder]
#7629531 - 11/13/07 09:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I support the troops because they have to follow orders,
Illogical Will Robbins. Proven by those soldiers who choose to disobey orders in Viet Nam thereby speeding a withdrawal of troops, ending of the war and peace "with honor"
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